[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'S')o is that just like your project to build 4,000,000 windmills for 300 million SUV sized EVs?

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'S')o is that just like your project to build 4,000,000 windmills for 300 million SUV sized EVs?

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'E')vidently you also have enough time to spread d00mcopianism! I'll be waiting on your 4,000,000 windmills and 300 million SUV size EVs btw.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'E')vidently you also have enough time to spread d00mcopianism! I'll be waiting on your 4,000,000 windmills and 300 million SUV size EVs btw.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'S')o... You're an energy industry "veteran", and think that we'll need 4M windmills to replace oil? ~50% of that is for private transportation, so lets say 2M in this aspect. That's 12+ times what the US will have in a couple decades assuming the rate of wind power expansion freezes and doesn't continue to increase which is where my assumption of EV use at ~150Wh/mile came from. The US DOE has a ~3,500lb small SUV at ~250Wh/mile over the combined cycle, so by your "veteran" estimate, we'll need around 12(150Wh/mile) times that or ~1,800Wh/mile. A Ford Expedition only weighs about twice what a RAV-4 does, so even then we would only be at ~500Wh/mile.

Your opinion as an "energy industry veteran" is that we'll all be running around in EVs almost four times the size of Ford Expeditions in the future? Seems kinda fishy to me, but it would be great for your industry I suppose.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'I')'m saying that to replace those 20mbpd, it will require an enormous amount of capacity and energy, as much as 750 nuclear plants or 4M windmills, and add to that, the fact that Kansas or North Dakota have each enough wind resources to supply 27% of country's electricity is a theoratical concept, not reality.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'I')n the last 5 years, I bullt 382 MWs of wind and started numerous projects that may have a chance to see the light of the day. I'm definitely doing my share towards your dream of an all-EV nation. How about you?

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'I')n the last 5 years, I bullt 382 MWs of wind and started numerous projects that may have a chance to see the light of the day. I'm definitely doing my share towards your dream of an all-EV nation. How about you?

[joelcolorado]

The sky is falling

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'A')gain with the appeal to authority...

[yesplease]

It isn't about quoting books or studies, just using reasonable assumptions. Stating that we would need 4,000,000 or even 2,000,000 windmills to replace oil's use or it's use in transportation is tremendously inaccurate. Along the same lines, any authority you may have in your field doesn't extend to any inaccurate and/or exaggerated estimates you make about any other field.

Hell, I never said it would be easy, or that it would solve all problems associated with oil depletion, just that your estimate regarding perceived use, a field that by your own admission isn't something you're an expert in, is grossly inaccurate. Who knows what we'll end up doing, that's not here or there (yet), but stating that we'll all need enough juice to run 3 trillion miles in F-650s is probably inaccurate at best and disingenuous at worst.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'I')t isn't about quoting books or studies, just using reasonable assumptions. Stating that we would need 4,000,000 or even 2,000,000 windmills to replace oil's use or it's use in transportation is tremendously inaccurate. Along the same lines, any authority you may have in your field doesn't extend to any inaccurate and/or exaggerated estimates you make about any other field.

Hell, I never said it would be easy, or that it would solve all problems associated with oil depletion, just that your estimate regarding perceived use, a field that by your own admission isn't something you're an expert in, is grossly inaccurate. Who knows what we'll end up doing, that's not here or there (yet), but stating that we'll all need enough juice to run 3 trillion miles in F-650s is probably inaccurate at best and disingenuous at worst.

[isgota]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'I')'m saying that to replace those 20mbpd, it will require an enormous amount of capacity and energy, as much as 750 nuclear plants or 4M windmills, and add to that, the fact that Kansas or North Dakota have each enough wind resources to supply 27% of country's electricity is a theoratical concept, not reality.

[aahala2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'I') speak from experience, not from reading websites and calculating projections. I'm an expert in siting and finance, and know tons about regulatory, legal, operation, maintenance, technology, market, etc, etc. I'm not a PhD student, I'm the real deal.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('isgota', 'W')hat unit size (MW/turbine) are both using in your estimations?

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aahala2', 'I') have expertise in a different field, based entirely upon many years of experience. I can spot it a mile away and call it what it is. Horse crap.

[yesplease]

Well, I can't say I didn't try to discuss this reasonably. But if you wanna flame, I'm fair game.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'Y')ou're all bark and no bite, yesplease. What is your field of expertise, if you have one? Are you an accountant, a nurse, or someone very book smart but without field experience? How many EVs do you own?

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'I')t will take hundreds, thousands, perhaps 2, 3, 4 million GE1.5sle's (or equivalent) to reliabily power 300 million EVs, trains, ships, aircraft, etc.

[isgota]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'T')he GE1.5sle is the industry's standard. 1.5 MWs. Gamesa has the G80/87 2.0MW, but with problems. Vestas' V90 also comes in 2.0 MWs, is of relative good quality, but not yet widely used. Acciona has the AWP1.5, a great machine, but not yet produced in large scale like the GE1.5sle. Suzlon is not a contender. Everything else is either too small of a production scale or in prototype stages, ie, the GE2.X, AWP3.0, Liberty 2.5, etc. By the time these are reliable and well received by the developers, operators and finance community, we'll be importing 25mbpd.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('isgota', 'A')nd still to substitute 20 mbpd of oil you don't need so much. IMO you nor yesplease aren't near a theorical value of windmills needed. I think that you'd need about 700,000 GE 1.5MW to meet that demand (keep in mind the inneficient use of the oil in transport, of each 4 gallons of fuel on the tank you'll only get 1 on the wheels, EV are WAY BETTER).