[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')And what does that achieve other than to avoid attending to the core problem.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I')t is called capitalism and implicates the consuming Western minority for their complicity with Western capitalists in destroying this planet. Dont try and pass the buck with vague far right labelling such as Globalist or Illuminati.

[radon1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')We are not complicit. We are victims.

[onlooker]

Well anyway whatever the mechanisms that set in motion this feverish consumerist binge is of little importance now for it is has a momentum that defies human agency to prevent and only the natural forces of nature can now stop all this INSANITY.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'W')ell anyway whatever the mechanisms that set in motion this feverish consumerist binge is of little importance now for it is has a momentum that defies human agency to prevent and only the natural forces of nature can now stop all this INSANITY.

[onlooker]

AD notice how Pstar said elites not humanity. You may have transposed elites for the capitalist system. Yet I and Pstar contend that any man made system is ultimately in the hands of men. They the elites have shown utter disdain for humanity and a psychopathic and wholly insatiable lust for money and power. You yourself contend that capitalism would have been a bridge to a form of modern circular material Communism (dialectics) if I understand correctly and you now second it with the tantalizing if 50 years ago we would have acquiesced to the USSR. Well none of that happened because as persons like me and P contend a small group of very high up people chose not to and instead chose to create a financial banking & corporate empire that has sucked the world dry.

[americandream]

onlooker

All that the elites have done is try to keep capitalism white. Now that they are running out of profits (price discovery is forcing their hand), the have had to swallow their pride and reach out to the other races.

In the meantime, a disaster has been in the making with the destruction of progressive socialist efforts in the non white world with the result that these new markets are heavily populated and will take the already damaged environment into tailspin.

But dont kid yourself. Racist elites have brought us to this juncture. They have destroyed a resource for all of global labour, the USSR and they have lumbered us with the Islamic monster....apart from the climate disaster in the brew.

Progressive forces such as those of us observe the madness of these primitives with alarm.

[onlooker]

So basically you and I agree AD. Incidentally, I do not disagree with your racist description of the elites. Among the many distasteful characteristics they have is certainly racism. By the way, nice to have you consistently contributing. I am always pleased to hear from you though at times our ideas have been somewhat incompatible. At least you have an intellectual basis for your arguments as most here do. I always prefer someone with an intellectual/objective bent as they are not poisoned by ideological fervor. Stay well old chap as the English say.

[americandream]

onlooker

Opportunists will use genderism, tribalism, race, religion...anything to get a head start. However, as we see with some on this board, they are inconsistent and nincompooperish. Why even a communist can beat them at their own game, capitalism.

Do you want these people defining your world?

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'R')elated:

"If everyone lived in an ‘ecovillage’, the Earth would still be in trouble"

https://theconversation.com/if-everyone ... uble-43905

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')And what does that achieve other than to avoid attending to the core problem.

[ralfy]

My understanding is that most people worldwide are poor and their main goal is to be the opposite. That means accessing all basic needs and more wants. We can argue that they may have been forced to do so, but I get this feeling that at the very least they want basic needs (which includes advanced health care),

Growing demand for energy and resources are needed by the middle class (which earns $10 or more daily) to maintain lifestyles, if not become richer.

Finally, the financial elite want to earn more each year, but they cannot do so in the long term through virtual financing. Ultimately, sales of goods and services have to go up, which means more energy and material resources are needed to back up increasing credit.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') enjoy AD's stuff more now also. Less doctrinaire, more approachable. Angrier? Thanks AD.

[SeaGypsy]

What a load of shit. Currency speculation is not price discovery in any meaningful sense, it is completely facile, non productive news reading & bet leveraging. Nor is currency trading capitalism, except in the sense of making bets on the same nationalist nincompoops you so despise. You are dedicated to a pattern. When that pattern fails to materialise, as it will, you will be found blubbering & asking for a handout.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'W')hat a load of shit. Currency speculation is not price discovery in any meaningful sense, it is completely facile, non productive news reading & bet leveraging. Nor is currency trading capitalism, except in the sense of making bets on the same nationalist nincompoops you so despise. You are dedicated to a pattern. When that pattern fails to materialise, as it will, you will be found blubbering & asking for a handout.

[SeaGypsy]

You are a freak. That's OK, except normally I get good money to look after people like you & teach them how to communicate, the vast majority are more capable of learning than you. But then you are British besides.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'Y')ou are a freak. That's OK, except normally I get good money to look after people like you & teach them how to communicate, the vast majority are more capable of learning than you. But then you are British besides.