[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he cornies do blather on. For AdamB sake I must mention the other merely moribund Euro economies Portugal, Italy, Romania, Ukraine, Finland, Croatia, and Switzerland. And there are the big international sickies. Argentina, Japan etc.

Oh, that right. Australia, New Zealand, and Germany economies are just bubbly How about that Chinese Miracle?

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he cornies do blather on. For AdamB sake I must mention the other merely moribund Euro economies Portugal, Italy, Romania, Ukraine, Finland, Croatia, and Switzerland. And there are the big international sickies. Argentina, Japan etc.

Oh, that right. Australia, New Zealand, and Germany economies are just bubbly How about that Chinese Miracle?

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GregT', '
')Considering that nobody that I am aware of has died from peak oil yet, and climate change continues to kill thousands every year, my vote would be for climate change.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'A')damB, what's latoc? How do pronounce that?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') second what Jerider stated. It is ALL part of the reckoning process of our human population in overshoot. Time to pay the piper. In order of peak oil first with its devastating impacts and then climate change quite likely the nail to the coffin

[sparky]

.
Jimmy Carter was a fine man , probably wasted in Washington ,
as an atomic sub officer he had to be interviewed personally by Hyman Rickover .
The more than three quarter mad boss and supremo of all US sub interviewed ALL his sea going officers ,going on his subs
that was not a formality more like a sweat test .
he also went personally on board of each boat on their first dive
after all he had written the book on atomic submarines , was an outstanding engineer and a penny pinching perfectionist
Admiral Rickover was a believer in Peak oil

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'R')unaway global warming is a peak-oil denialists distraction. It helps folks avoid the real burning issue: we are running out of oil . . . right now. We don't need to wait 50 years for collapse. It has started

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he cornies do blather on. For AdamB sake I must mention the other merely moribund Euro economies Portugal, Italy, Romania, Ukraine, Finland, Croatia, and Switzerland. And there are the big international sickies. Argentina, Japan etc.

Oh, that right. Australia, New Zealand, and Germany economies are just bubbly How about that Chinese Miracle?

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GregT', '
')Considering that nobody that I am aware of has died from peak oil yet, and climate change continues to kill thousands every year, my vote would be for climate change.

[onlooker]

Adam, on a conciliatory note, I praise what you and your wife are doing.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', '.')
Admiral Rickover was a believer in Peak oil

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'A')dam, on a conciliatory note, I praise what you and your wife are doing.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'A')dam, on a conciliatory note, I praise what you and your wife are doing.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'A')dam, on a conciliatory note, I praise what you and your wife are doing.

[KaiserJeep]

Counterpoint:

- The world is warming, either from natural, or manmade reasons, or both.
- If we caused it, we are already past peak, and it's TOO LATE to change or mitigate the impact of burning FF's.
- So quit your <insert deity name here>-damned sniveling about carbon emissions.
- Plan to survive. If that means moving N and doubling up on the A/C, planting vegetables and owning chickens, do it.
- Make a plan to be comfortable, with enough time to remain a participating PO.com member, without grid power or a fuel-burning vehicle.
- Any questions?