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Where did you learn about peak oil?

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Re: Where did you learn about peak oil?

Unread postby ubassilian » Wed 29 Oct 2014, 17:47:41

I saw this video called the End of Suburbia which was all about the coming of peak oil back in 2003:

http://youtu.be/Q3uvzcY2Xug

Going back and watching it again I'm amazed at how prescient it was about events of today.
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Re: Where did you learn about peak oil?

Unread postby MonteQuest » Wed 29 Oct 2014, 18:10:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', ' ')What's wrong with creating new threads on subjects I have never talked about before?


Oh, we get it Desu, it's all about you. 8)
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Re: Where did you learn about peak oil?

Unread postby tom_s2 » Wed 29 Oct 2014, 19:13:13

Monte,

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'p')ost continuous new threads on subjects covered ad naseum over the years.


The peak oil/energy decline movement consists of repeating the same basic 10 points over and over again, across decades. Oil, gas, or coal (or all three) are about to peak and start declining rapidly. Food is made using oil. Transportation networks will collapse without enough fuel, and we'll need to relocalize. The world is finite. ERoEI is declining, so net energy must decline too. Renewables are just an extension of the fossil fuel supply. Collapse of civilization is IMMINENT. The human population will die off to 2 billion people or so. We'll return to medieval conditions by 2008 (or 2010, or 2015, or 2020, or...).

Any of this stuff could have been lifted verbatim from Matt Savinar's forum (doomers.us) back in 2005, or for that matter, from dieoff.org back in 1999. Much of this stuff (the declining ERoEI stuff) has been repeated since the 1970s.

I would guess there have been more than two million pages expended by the peak oil community in repeating those 10 basic ideas. Desumaiden is fitting right in.

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Re: Where did you learn about peak oil?

Unread postby PeakOiler » Wed 29 Oct 2014, 19:20:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', ' ')What's wrong with creating new threads on subjects I have never talked about before?


Oh, we get it Desu, it's all about you. 8)


I think it's good that newbies bring up old topics. Many new members may not have used the search functions yet to find and bump previous posts/topics.

The moderators will have more merging to do, though. :|
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Re: Where did you learn about peak oil?

Unread postby MonteQuest » Wed 29 Oct 2014, 20:15:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PeakOiler', 'I') think it's good that newbies bring up old topics.


Oh, I do too. Often they have a different take on things. But it helps a newbie to know their audience by searching past threads to avoid preaching to Noahs about the flood.
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Re: Where did you learn about peak oil?

Unread postby sunweb » Thu 30 Oct 2014, 13:56:29

It wasn't call that but from Limits to Growth in 1972. Read Energy for Survival by Wilson Clark in 1975.
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Re: Where did you learn about peak oil?

Unread postby Subjectivist » Thu 30 Oct 2014, 16:46:18

February 1982 National Geographic did a speciel energy issue. Read it cover to cover many many times until it fell apart. Shocking ideas for a teen age guy about to get his learners permit for drivers training.
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Re: Where did you learn about peak oil?

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Thu 30 Oct 2014, 22:43:32

Got into permaculture nearly 30 years ago.
Basically trying to work out how to get off the treadmill early.
So was doing everything to reduce my money and energy dependence,slowly since then.
Had heard of PO vaguely, but didnt pay much attention as fuel was still cheap, until I met a guy in town who put me onto this site.
Nothing really changed I still do what I was doing before I knew.
Use and want less stuff and fuel and grow more food.
The less cogs that I need to turn the more life, time and freedom I've got.
I see PO as a potential to be a good thing that solves a lot of problems,might create a few new ones along the way as people adapt though.
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