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When do you think the economy will crash?
Re: When do you think the economy will crash?
by Pops » Mon 14 Nov 2016, 12:03:50
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')he ETP bullshit needs to stay in the ETP BS thread.
Whether or not the ETP is mathematically defensible, even ignoring entropy (which I think is a mistake) can't we all agree that qualitatively, as we reach for the fruit (barrels) at the top of the tree, more effort and resources (capital) are diverted from the non-energy harvesting portion of the economy? That at some point that becomes unsustainable..?
comon man, you know I wrote the book on PO! Well at least the What is PO for PO.com:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 's')uffice to say that oil becomes more difficult and expensive to extract as a field ages past the mid-point of its life.
Of course even that is an oversimplification. But nevertheless, I've not changed my belief that FF are finite. What has changed is my belief that the world economy, including oil production, can be summed up in a bumper sticker, no matter how many times it is quoted.
peakers to a one denied LTO would amount to anything but rather than admit to being wrong and modifying their view, they just donald their way through and double down - yeah, well, PO was really in '05; no, it was 72, no wait '28...
...my corn flakes are soggy, thanks PO.
lol, if no one wants to discuss actual events or challenge PO touchstones (like the sainted Hirsch Plan actually being about increasing FFs) (or that technology and price did beat "geology" if only for a time) that's fine, but don't pretend that because I try to keep an open mind that you need to quote to me the precept of finite resources.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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Re: When do you think the economy will crash?
by Tanada » Mon 14 Nov 2016, 12:28:24
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', 'T'), don't you think repairing/rebuilding fossil fuel orientated infrastructure would be a mis-allocation of resources at this point?
How do you tell the difference between a road or bridge built for fossil fuel vehicles and one built for ox carts? Fundamentally a road is a road and a bridge is a bridge. I think there is an excellent chance that a properly built road or bridge intended for heavy truck traffic would last a very very long time providing passage to ox cart traffic.
I also don't expect us to suddenly switch from trucks to ox carts, for one thing we lake the teamsters trained in operating ox carts and as far as that goes we lack the oxen to serve as the draft animals.
I do think we should not waste a lot of funding on rebuilding/upgrading airports, but given the modern mindset I think that funding will be inevitable and given PO it will turn out to be a waste.
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Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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