[SeaGypsy]

Way to go Hawkeye! Those planes are flyin' anyway whether you're on 'em or not. Those hotel staff have to eat too. There is a world out there to explore while time is running out.

[SeaGypsy]

I think what this shows is that the OP is faulty. 1% or 10% based on earnings alone is not any sort of real barometer.

[ralfy]

Try this one:

http://www.globalrichlist.com/

[ralfy]

Also, I read somewhere that around 15 pct of the world's population earn between 10 and 20 dollars or more, and are responsible for over 60 pct of personal consumption. Over 60 pct earn only around two dollars (up from a dollar a few decades ago).

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'T')ry this one:

http://www.globalrichlist.com/

[Tanada]

All of these websites suffer from the same malady, one indicator does not a complete picture make. A man in Uganda making $500.00 US a week is very well off because he can buy most everything he wants if he decides to keep living there, the same man living in NYC, NY is a pauper because living there he would struggle to clothe, feed and shelter himself by the local society minimums. Standard of living is more than social status, in NYC he might end up with free meals from the homeless shelters in order to pay his utility bills and keep the heat working during the cold season.

Even inside the USA cost of living shift's wildly depending upon location, if you live in the edge of the National Forest in a home built log cabin you built by hand off the grid and grow all your own food you don't need any money unless you get sick or injured and need care. If you live in the big city and choose to not use grid supplied electricity and heating sources you will get in trouble for not supplying 'basic needs' to your family if you have one.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'T')ry this one:

http://www.globalrichlist.com/

[SeaGypsy]

I like Ralphy's scale because I hate listening to westerners whine.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'Q')uestion is, is there enough resources to provide everyone with a roof over there head, clothes on their back, and food to eat?

Recent research seems to indicate no.

In the 1960's and 70's that might have been true. But the population has doubled since then.

[Loki]

Yes, yes, we Americans should be happy to live like the noble Haitians, nobly dying of cholera in our cardboard shacks. Hey, at least it's a roof over our heads, right?

Not that I don't find dick measuring contests like this thread obnoxious, mind you. But SeaGypsy, didn't you recently admit you personally emitted more GHG than the entire nation of Zaire while acquiring your frequent flier miles?

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'Y')es, yes, we Americans should be happy to live like the noble Haitians, nobly dying of cholera in our cardboard shacks. Hey, at least it's a roof over our heads, right?

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'A')ll of these websites suffer from the same malady, one indicator does not a complete picture make. A man in Uganda making $500.00 US a week is very well off because he can buy most everything he wants if he decides to keep living there, the same man living in NYC, NY is a pauper because living there he would struggle to clothe, feed and shelter himself by the local society minimums. Standard of living is more than social status, in NYC he might end up with free meals from the homeless shelters in order to pay his utility bills and keep the heat working during the cold season.

Even inside the USA cost of living shift's wildly depending upon location, if you live in the edge of the National Forest in a home built log cabin you built by hand off the grid and grow all your own food you don't need any money unless you get sick or injured and need care. If you live in the big city and choose to not use grid supplied electricity and heating sources you will get in trouble for not supplying 'basic needs' to your family if you have one.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '
')
I put in a thousand dollars a year and I'm in the top half of the population. Money is not such a good measure. Neither is the general meaning of "standard of living" which is mostly about how much materials you consume. A measure of "quality of life" is needed.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'Y')es, yes, we Americans should be happy to live like the noble Haitians, nobly dying of cholera in our cardboard shacks. Hey, at least it's a roof over our heads, right?

Not that I don't find dick measuring contests like this thread obnoxious, mind you. But SeaGypsy, didn't you recently admit you personally emitted more GHG than the entire nation of Zaire while acquiring your frequent flier miles?

[Loki]

I was just messin' with ya SeaGypsy, I own a an old beater truck that I drive regularly, as well as a 250cc motorcycle. I've traveled in poor countries, I understand that I'm relatively wealthy.

I got the motorcycle in part to reduce my gasoline usage, which it did. But I figure my personal GHG emissions are still probably the equivalent of the average Swede or Chinese. If I can get into a place with a woodstove I could probably get my GHG emissions down to the average Mexican or Jamaican.

I did my jet setting in the '90s, have only flown once since 9/11, and I hated it.

[SeaGypsy]

Flying is like going to the most boring supermarket in the world, having an interesting glimpse of the globe from somewhere off it for a moment going back through the same supermarket somewhere else. It's the shi##iest way to get anywhere, for any purpose requiring more than a suitcase of gear. It also aids and abets the rampant alienation of entire regions of the globe. Imagine for a moment the air transit system breaks down, then imagine needing to get across the middle east/ Balkans to/ from Europe and Asia. From southern Africa to Europe or Asia. From Australia to Anywhere north of here. It's a whole new ball game once the jet age is over.

[ralfy]

Also,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_footprint

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... _footprint

and various calculators found online.

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')lying is like going to the most boring supermarket in the world, having an interesting glimpse of the globe from somewhere off it for a moment going back through the same supermarket somewhere else. It's the shi##iest way to get anywhere, for any purpose requiring more than a suitcase of gear. It also aids and abets the rampant alienation of entire regions of the globe. Imagine for a moment the air transit system breaks down, then imagine needing to get across the middle east/ Balkans to/ from Europe and Asia. From southern Africa to Europe or Asia. From Australia to Anywhere north of here. It's a whole new ball game once the jet age is over.

[SeaGypsy]

While they are still flying, I'm nobody to judge. Not really my point, so much as the fact that the only replacements for kerosene jet fuel are currently only partially viable and all are hugely expensive. Get cheap travel while you can, because it's only going to get more expensive here on out. There will be ship travel at all scales for a very long time yet.