by Fergus » Mon 25 Sep 2006, 18:01:40
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'H')ey Fergus, I believe that in each of us there is hope, and I was a lot like you just a few years ago.
I have kids. I am type A. I was a jealous psycho boyfriend. I like handguns. I lift weights.
But I am a man who thinks that the one required credential for the title "man" is standing behind what you do and taking responsibility for what you do - especially if what you have done is wrong.
You wrote:
"Pretty much, isnt that what I said. I make no bones about my stances. I would rather kill the pple that would rather kill me and take their oil. There. Can I be any more clearer."
No, I do not believe this is what you said. I also do not believe that this is the natural consequence of your opinion.
I think you will kill men, women, and children <b><u>whether
or not the would rather kill you</u></b>.
You see the difference? The 4 year olds in Iran don't want to kill you. They will, but not right now. There are also many others in Iran who don't want to kill you. But you will kill them. All for oil.
Please don't say that you want to kill them before they kill you.
So I won't put words in your mouth, but I'll try to sum up what I think your position is. If this isn't your position, by the way, it certainly is the position of Bush, IMO.
"I, Fergus, am ready and willing to kill - in addition to those who hate me and want me dead - children and all other innocents who live where the oil is whether or not they hate me and want me dead and whether or not their country is any threat whatsoever to me or mine."
That, Fergus, is really your position. Don't sugar coat it. Don't try to find excuses why you have to kill them before they will kill you.
Tell the truth, Fergus, you would support Bush sending in the military to Venezuela to kill Chavez, his supporters, and any innocents as well, in order to ensure that we can steal their oil.
Right?
I respect that you recognize your position somewhat. Will you recognize it all the way, and, more importantly, will you recognize that your position is one based on evil? That is, that you are the bad guy doing what he needs to do to stay on top.
"You are the next target after we pull out of Iraq and let Iran build her nuclear arsenal."
I am certainly not the next target.
"If you are fine with waiting for death to come to you, more power to you."
Fergus, this is the most well thought out thing you wrote. The irony is that you don't even know what you wrote.
The obvious implication in your sentence is that, while I am content to wait for death to come to me, you will go out and find it! Perfectly said, my friend.
"AMerica is the strongest country of them all. PERIOD. "
True. But not for long.
I used to be a patriot like you. For a long time. Used to wave the flag like this. America is strong only because it has residual military power. That will fade quickly in the next 10 years as domestic concerns start to become more important.
"Therefore America is ENTITLED to the IRanian oil since its us who are losing our young men protecting the Cindy Sheehans of the world."
This makes no sense. You are entitled to nothing. All life is a gift. How unwise you are.
You may be right. you may be wrong. Its got little to do with being an American and patriotism. To tell you the truth, America sucks as a country. I have to press 1 to talk in english. I have to be careful what I say and how I say it and who I say it too and who may over hear it. Politically correct weak ass democratic policies have turned america into a bleeding heart welfare state where an illegal immigrant that cant speak english has more rights then I do and is actually entitled to free schooling, health care welfare checks while I just lose everything I have worked my whole life for.
Dont make the mistake of thinking I am waving a flag. I am pissed we are giving America away and would like nothing better then all 11 million illegal immigrants (and there kids, I dont give a damn if there born in America legally, there still illegal) to be rounded up and sent on back to Mexico. I would like a foreigner to have to actually learn the english language if they are gunna come here and do business. I learnt french and a smidge of german when I lived in Switzerland. I learned Arabic when I lived in Saudi Arabia. I never expected them to bend over backwards for me. Yet these screwballs not only expect me to bend over backwards, but demand it.
My stance comes out of a frustration. I can see America withering on the vine. I dont like it. Not because I am patriotic. but because I am paying for the very distruction of America.
But with all that said, I still want America to be the last 1st world country, or a 1st world country for as long as it can.
Now on the Iraq/Iran bullcrap, I have lived over there. I understand where they are coming from. I know what they are like and how they live and what it means to be an arab to them. I consider pples background before I pass judgement on them. Yes I have passed judgement on them from my American point of view. Dont even gothere as far as the right or wrongness of judging pple, its a fact of life, we all do it in degrees, some lesser, some more. I am not afraid to tell you, that may be the difference between me and the masses. I am getting tired of politically correctness and refuse to participate in it any longer.
I dare you to study the dogma of the radical islamist. I mean deep study, get under their skin and learn their heart beat. Learn whats important to them. I wager over half the pple that condemn these bastages dont have a clue what it means to be a radical islamist, from the radical islamist point of view. They are incapable of putting themselves in that radical islamist shoes. I have not only been in em, I have walked a mile in them. I know.
Now one thing most pple dont recognize. The radical islamist timetabel is set up in centuries. Not days, weeks, months or years. They are willing to wait ungodly lengths of time to acheive their plans and see their results. The western civilization cant even fathom waiting 2 centuries for change.
The radical islamist only thought is of killing. Its ideologies are based in violence and ethnic cleansing. After we pull out, watch the sunnies kill the shi'ites. Then turn on us, the west, The US and Isreal. Then europe and then they will deal with Russia and china and other asian nations that they can afford to wait on. Again, centuries, not even decades.
So the point is we can kill em all (4 year olds or 40, makes no difference to me) (Imagine OBL dead at age 4, imagine the ayatollah komeni assasinated in France in the 70's, no issues today) (a bomb kills indiscriminatenly and I dont even have to see their face so what do I care) or we can wait till they muster the armaments and balls to bring it to us. Wait for them 4 yos to grow up and strap on a bomb vest and walk into a mall in America. Look at spain, a terrorist retreat if there ever was one. How would you like that in every civilized country, all the time. Its coming. I firmly believe that after studying these pple. Dont forget, I lived with them for 3 years.
You guys can think I am the most evil person, a neocon dog, I dont care what you label me, I am who I am and I doubt anything written on a forum is gunna change who I am. I judge by actions, not words. I have judged the radical islamists as fastidious, determined and deadly to any non alligned radical group. That means if you are not akin to them, you are dead!!!!!!Now or tomorrow or next century, they think they have the time to wait it out. They well may have it too, I dont know how oil will play into their plans, but they will have oil and money long after we do not. Therefore it is imperitive in my mind to deal with the issues today, in a most unpleasant way. We have to make sure they do not have the time, money or oil to eradicate us when we can no longer defend ourselves. And make no mistake, there will come a day when we can not defend ourselves.
As for entitled to it, I am saying we are more entitled to it then say Russia, China, England, Switzerland or any other country as we have not only saved all their asses in the past, we continue to give and give and give. If anyones gunna be last man standing, I think America has paid the price to be in this fight. If we wait 20 years to settle it, we wont be in that fight. We have to do it now. But whatever happens, we can not remain status quo. We will die a horrible death in a 3rd world country at the hands of these same radical islamists as they have the desire, opportunity and means to bring distruction to the shores of America, England, France, Russia, China amd every other non muslim country that does not embrace the radical beliefs of the current regimes in place in Iran.
