[crossthread]

Opinions?
http://livedigital.com/content/1710605

[Qolio]

Well, here's my "opinion":

2H[sub]2[/sub]0 + E <--> 2H[sub]2[/sub] + 0[sub]2[/sub]

[TonyPrep]

How desperate people must be to conveniently forget about the energy input to split the water.

[zoidberg]

I guess we'll just have to find a link that show how much energy goes into the radio waves, and how what the chemical reaction is thats burning. The 20 second blurb said the principle behind it was radio waves(of a certain frequency) interacting with various elements to produce heat. It doesnt specifically say that its water being split into hydrogen and oxygen. I only have high school chemistry behind me and thats quite a few years behind me. Does someone understand exactly what is combusting?

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how it works

It seems to me either a case of the sodium chloride splitting apart resulting in a highly reactive sodium metal reacting with water. I didnt find a clear chemical equation for that though.

Or its acting like a platinum catalyst for actually splitting the water. So, this seems, maybe, to be a nice cheaper way to store and release hydrogen for fuel cells without platinum which is a huge bonus. Also the wikipedia tells me a catalyst allows a chemical reaction to occur at a lower energy than the original reaction. So this is a good way to generate hydrogen without everyone pointing out electrolysis takes a lot of energy right?

[Carlhole]

I had a thread on this a long time ago:

John Kanzius Saltwater Radio Wave Energy Source?

Apparently, Kanzius had discovered a whole new phenomenon of water. A Penn State research scientist and his assistants visited Kanzius' radio wave set-up and confirmed it as "extremely interesting". I wrote to the researcher, Professor Rustum Roy, the head of the Materials Science Lab at PSU, asking about energy inputs/outputs (which I considered to be the burning question, as it were). He wrote back saying that his team did not have the data to determine that.

I found this very frustrating because, at the time, news had been pouring forth about this discovery in frequent articles -- and then it suddenly ceased! A whole lot of people all around the world were fascinated by this new discovery - that water can be split into hydrogen and oxygen by adding some salt and subjecting it to the right kind of radio waves.

This is not electrolysis at all. Was it more efficient than electrolysis? We didn't know. I wanted to find out. But, strangely, the story simply stopped delivering. One would think that it would be a simple matter to measure the energy inputs. Hmph! I wasn't satisfied with Rustum Roy's reply.

He DID confirm that the phenomenon was not a plasma, as some had suggested. It was indeed a flame.

If you're tempted to read the thread, don't bother. This is how it mostly went:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', ' ')In this thread, I have posted over and over again, that Kanzius's invention cannot possibly be an energy source. Yet the thread is continually attacked for being a claim that it IS an energy source.

Wouldn't you like it if it were a claim to be an energy source! Then you would be able show everyone how smart and energy literate you are! But sorry! Kanzius invention can't possibly be an energy source. It IS, however, an interesting phenomenon that no one seems to have hit on before. It's been vetted by the founder of the Materials Sciences Lab at Penn State University, Rustum Roy. It may be more efficient than electrolysis.

So, now, in keeping with this thread's history, you come back and say, "But it can't possibly be an energy source fool!"

And then I come back and say, "Kanzius invention cannot possibly be an energy source but it is interesting because it apparently is an entirely new phenomenon...".

And then you say, "Get this trash off of PO.com! I'm fed up with these energy hoaxes!".

And then I say, "I'm not saying it's an energy source. I'm saying it's quite curious..."

And then you come back and scream, "Godammit. It's not an energy source!!".

...and on and on.

[Carlhole]

Oops this thread is really old too...

How did it get bumped? I didn't bump it.

I saw it there and replied before checking the date.