[SchroedingersCat]

I'm a bit curious why this forum is so under used. It seems to me that the best thing we can do is try to conserve what's left to buy us time to provide a soft landing. I know we can't conserve our way out of peak oil, but we can certainly buy a few more years of time to power down.

Planning for the future is great, but that forum seems to assume that everyone is screwed and has to move to the country and fend for themselves.

I think that we are looking at a long, slow slide into darkness and we should be doing whatever it takes to hold that off. When the reality of peak oil hits the general populace, most people will mistakenly think we can conserve our way out of the problem. While that won't work, it will buy us very precious time.

How can we encourage this?

[Texas_T]

I agree with you, that energy efficiency HAS to play a key role in getting us through peak oil.

I think that most peak oilers subscribe so completely to Jeavon's Paradox that they immediately dismiss energy efficiency/conservation for the wrong reasons IMHO.

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SchroedingersCat', 'I')'m a bit curious why this forum is so under used. It seems to me that the best thing we can do is try to conserve what's left to buy us time to provide a soft landing. I know we can't conserve our way out of peak oil, but we can certainly buy a few more years of time to power down.

Planning for the future is great, but that forum seems to assume that everyone is screwed and has to move to the country and fend for themselves.

I think that we are looking at a long, slow slide into darkness and we should be doing whatever it takes to hold that off. When the reality of peak oil hits the general populace, most people will mistakenly think we can conserve our way out of the problem. While that won't work, it will buy us very precious time.

How can we encourage this?

[SchroedingersCat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Texas_T', '
')I think that most peak oilers subscribe so completely to Jeavon's Paradox that they immediately dismiss energy efficiency/conservation for the wrong reasons IMHO.

[Badger]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he expectation of danger leads to preparation. Only those who are prepared can expect to survive- DUNE

[highboom]

On the subject of trains (I know off topic) but why can't we simply build train lines using the existing road infrastructure? I know we destroyed the light rail lines and replaced them with roads, why not destroy the roads and put in rail in the same place?

Also conservation I think can only work on a small scale basis, as a segway into becoming self sustainable. The masses will never accept conservation without a brilliant flash of insight into the current mess we're in... say Bush coming on prime time and introducing "Peak Oil" to the public.

[strider3700]

highways can't necessarily be replaced with rails simply because trucks can take much sharper turns then trains.

I'm also shocked that not many people are using this forum. I'm doing my best to radically reduce energy usage mostly because I'm aware that I can't keep using as much as I currently do, so I'm hoping to soften the landing. A lot of the planning in the other forum is for complete replacements of existing systems. I'm not convinced that is possible for most people