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The GAO report on peak oil 2007

Unread postby Leanan » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 21:04:00

From Platts:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') draft US Government Accountability Office report finds that, though it is difficult to assess whether the world has reached "peak oil," a large number of experts surveyed for the report believe the world may have reached the peak for conventional petroleum supplies, said Representative Roscoe Bartlett, Republican-Maryland.
Bartlett, who has raised concerns that the world has produced more oil than remains in reserves, ordered the report from GAO -- the nonpartisan investigative arm of Congress -- and will release it within the next month.
He said the report authors did not get a fix on how much oil is left in the world because principal oil suppliers would offer no information about how much oil they have left. "They have no reason to tell us and little reason to be truthful," Bartlett said, so it is "very difficult to determine a date specific" when the world will reach peak oil.
But he added that the GAO report found that "the largest number of [experts] believe that it has occurred, that conventional supplies have peaked."


But wonder how many of those "experts" think unconventional oil continue to support the happy motoring lifestyle?
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 21:32:45

The report will not be "published" for another 30 days, but we should post the link as soon as it is available to find out who these "experts" are.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby Bleep » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 08:57:00

Tom Whipple of the Falls Church News Press wrote about this report last year:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.fcnp.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=510&Itemid=33]The Peak Oil Crisis: The Studies (link)[/url]
By Tom Whipple
Thursday, 16 November 2006

... two major studies of the prospects for world energy supplies are currently underway in Washington. The first of these is being done by the Government Accountability Office and is to be released on February 28. This study will actually deal with the prospects for "peak oil" -- when it will come and what can be done to mitigate the consequences. The GAO was asked by the House of Representatives Science Committee to undertake this study that has been underway for over a year.

... What can we expect from these studies? The GAO effort will almost certainly be the straightforward professional exercise we have come to expect from this organization. The study will probably acknowledge that world oil production will peak someday and the researchers, who work for the Congress, will do their best to give a balanced answer to questions of when production will peak and what might we do about it.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby Cynus » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 10:14:21

This is a bombshell! When the GAO says we've peaked that is huge! Here is the story from today's ASPO newsletter:
4. CONGRESSMAN SAYS US REPORT POINTS TO ARRIVAL OF PEAK OIL
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A draft US Government Accountability Office report finds that, though it is difficult to assess whether the world has reached "peak oil," a large number of experts surveyed for the report believe the world may have reached the peak for conventional petroleum supplies, said Representative Roscoe Bartlett, Republican-Maryland.
Bartlett, who has raised concerns that the world has produced more oil than remains in reserves, ordered the report from GAO -- the nonpartisan investigative arm of Congress -- and will release it within the next month.
He said the report authors did not get a fix on how much oil is left in the world because principal oil suppliers would offer no information about how much oil they have left.
"They have no reason to tell us and little reason to be truthful," Bartlett said, so it is "very difficult to determine a date specific" when the world will reach peak oil.
But he added that the GAO report found that "the largest number of [experts] believe that it has occurred, that conventional supplies have peaked."
Jim Wells, director of the natural and resources and environment division at GAO, told the House Energy and Water Development Appropriations Subcommittee at a hearing Wednesday that the report includes a recommendation related to the lack of reliable data on world oil supplies. Wells also said the report provides "an extensive look at ... the academic and scientific community and
all the various studies that have been done, and has calculated a consensus on where they think peak oil is in our future."
Wells refused to provide more details on the report because he said Bartlett has 30 days by law to do so before GAO can publish the results.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby Newsseeker » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 11:10:28

The evidence that we have passed peak with so many warning signs from Cantarell to Ghawar mounts with this report. That so many experts are willing to say we have peaked also does not bode well for CERA and their followers.

This should be an interesting summer.....
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby Cobra_Strike » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 11:14:22

I do wonder what they will have to say...confirmation at this point means little, all people are going to know is its time to cover their butts. I would expect that anything coming from our government will be as upbeat as the CERA snowjob. I can't imagine that this will say anything that will be unknown by the time it comes out if the peak has indeed happened and there is enough data for others to come to the same conclusion.

As it is, there is already enough information that prominent peak oil prognosticators have called it.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby Leanan » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 11:23:19

I don't think it's that much of a bombshell. "Conventional" oil has peaked...that's not really news. The MSM will be pointing to heavy oil, oil sands, etc., and say that's the answer. :P
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 12:15:31

Leanan, If you do an informal poll of just say your friends and neighbors, I bet you a bottle of your favorite imbibement that at least 60-70% dont believe we are anywhere near the peak. To them everything is fine and all those little wells in west Texas will be uncapped as the price goes higher and everything will be fine.

I actually know intelligent people who believe that is the case.

Folks just dont believe it. They are in serious denial and will use any excuse to dodge the true reality.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby Leanan » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 12:51:10

I am confident that an informal poll of my friends and neighbors would reveal that they don't even know what "peak oil" is, and have never even given it a thought.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby Bleep » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 14:34:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'I') am confident that an informal poll of my friends and neighbors would reveal that they don't even know what "peak oil" is, and have never even given it a thought.
I always say "Everybody's heard of global warming, but have you ever heard of peak oil?" But then the laugh at me and call me names and throw rocks at me. :lol:
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby strider3700 » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 15:04:49

My favorite argument is that the US has been using up everyone elses oil lately and not it's own. thats why they import so much of it. If there is any shortage they'll just start pumping their own oil.
shame on us, doomed from the start
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby Cynus » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 15:32:34

I remember the shock that learning about PO was to me several years ago and how I felt like I had been punched in the stomach for a month or so. I can't imagine what it will be like when hundreds of millions of people get that feeling all at once.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby NeoPeasant » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 15:49:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cynus', 'I') remember the shock that learning about PO was to me several years ago and how I felt like I had been punched in the stomach for a month or so. I can't imagine what it will be like when hundreds of millions of people get that feeling all at once.


I expect that many of those who thougt I was nuts when I tried to explain it to them will all of a sudden ask "You knew about this? Why didn't you tell me?"
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby Leanan » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 16:13:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') can't imagine what it will be like when hundreds of millions of people get that feeling all at once.


I don't think it will happen. Hundreds of millions won't get that feeling at once. No matter what that report says, most of us will be in denial. If we even notice the report, when more important things like American Idol are going on. And said denial will be encouraged by the media and TPTB, of course.

Conventional oil has peaked. So what? Plenty of tar sands, oil shale, heavy, ethanol, etc. Nothing to worry about. The invisible hand will provide. Go out and buy an SUV, and don't worry your little head over this.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby dinopello » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 16:15:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'M')y favorite argument is that the US has been using up everyone elses oil lately and not it's own. thats why they import so much of it.


That would have been a GREAT strategy. Actually, still is. Not very nice though.

To the extent we don't tap into stuff like ANWAR we are doing that in a way.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')I expect that many of those who thougt I was nuts when I tried to explain it to them will all of a sudden ask "You knew about this? Why didn't you tell me?"


Don't you hate that?
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 17:19:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '.')..all those little wells in west Texas will be uncapped as the price goes higher and everything will be fine...

This appears to be a very pervasive myth here in 'Murica. I've been hearing that since the early 80s, and I get it even now from some people when I gently broach the subject. They're clinging to a desperate hope that Texas is secretly harboring its own version of Ghawar or something.

Talk about grasping at straws...
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 17:43:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '
')This appears to be a very pervasive myth here in 'Murica.

Talk about grasping at straws...
slightly less mythological is the idea of opening up areas that have been off-limits for drilling. I'm sure a lot of people think that's the answer. I don't think it'll do much good, but that's the straw for many.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby strider3700 » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 19:04:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'M')y favorite argument is that the US has been using up everyone elses oil lately and not it's own. thats why they import so much of it.


That would have been a GREAT strategy. Actually, still is. Not very nice though.

To the extent we don't tap into stuff like ANWAR we are doing that in a way.


Yeah ANWAR was going to provide what a couple of months worth of usage at it's highest estimates? Lets throw in gulf coast off of florida how much can possibly be down there?

America never plans ahead of the next quarter. it has been running dry since 71 and the fact that it still has a gallon jug stashed away in the trunk doesn't make any difference in the long run
shame on us, doomed from the start
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 20:06:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', '
') the fact that it still has a gallon jug stashed away in the trunk doesn't make any difference in the long run
quote of the day! lol :lol:
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