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The GAO report on peak oil 2007

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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby dinopello » Mon 05 Mar 2007, 13:22:46

Strange, no mention of the GAO report in this article from NYTimes:

We got oil coming out of our ears!

Good lord, look at this

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here is still a minority view, held largely by a small band of retired petroleum geologists and some members of Congress, that oil production has peaked, but the theory has been fading. Equally contentious for the oil companies is the growing voice of environmentalists, who do not think that pumping and consuming an ever-increasing amount of fossil fuel is in any way desirable.


Oh, I see they explain later:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')any oil executives say that these so-called peak-oil theorists fail to take into account the way that sophisticated technology, combined with higher prices that make searches for new oil more affordable, are opening up opportunities to develop supplies. As the industry improves its ability to draw new life from old wells and expands its forays into ever-deeper corners of the globe, it is providing a strong rebuttal in the long-running debate over when the world might run out of oil.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Mon 05 Mar 2007, 16:08:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')any oil executives say that these so-called peak-oil theorists fail to take into account the way that sophisticated technology, combined with higher prices that make searches for new oil more affordable, are opening up opportunities to develop supplies. As the industry improves its ability to draw new life from old wells and expands its forays into ever-deeper corners of the globe, it is providing a strong rebuttal in the long-running debate over when the world might run out of oil.


Cornucopian fossil fuel addicted rationalization. Unbelievable.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby nth » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 16:21:54

I think we should open ANWR and all US coastal area and deep sea, but just not now. We should open those areas in 2020 or after. After everyone knows and cannot deny PO, we will need every single drop of oil to transition our lifestyle to a power down society.

That is my opinion.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby Lore » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 17:20:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nth', 'I') think we should open ANWR and all US coastal area and deep sea, but just not now. We should open those areas in 2020 or after. After everyone knows and cannot deny PO, we will need every single drop of oil to transition our lifestyle to a power down society.

That is my opinion.


By that time all oil pumped from local sources will go to feed the "military industrial complex".
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby nth » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 18:50:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
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By that time all oil pumped from local sources will go to feed the "military industrial complex".


I hope not. If the world is running out of oil, I hope we are not running around fighting for more oil. We should just bunker down. I hope others will not use their precious oil to terrorize us.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby sameu » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 19:17:19

yeah just keep hoping :lol:
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby Uninspired123 » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 20:17:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nth', 'I') think we should open ANWR and all US coastal area and deep sea, but just not now. We should open those areas in 2020 or after. After everyone knows and cannot deny PO, we will need every single drop of oil to transition our lifestyle to a power down society.

That is my opinion.


I really, REALLY doubt that a strategic reserve such as ANWR would be wasted on the consumers. Why would the govt waste our gallon jug on ipods and hummers? Makes no sense. I'll be damned if the consumer sees any of that oil. We likely wont even see a good amount of the SPR.

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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 21:53:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nth', 'I') hope not. If the world is running out of oil, I hope we are not running around fighting for more oil. We should just bunker down. I hope others will not use their precious oil to terrorize us.


You really think the US efforts in the ME aren't about oil? It';s hard to imagine they're about anything else, considering. Certainly not really about terror, as we're not aggressively pursuing the main terror funding (Saudi Arabia) but fussing around elsewhere. For what? I think a position in the ME, for oil.


But, I suppose I could be wrong and it's really about terrorism or freedom, or something ideological.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby Revi » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 22:14:09

What do humans do when faced with the end of a resource? In the north atlantic the Canadian Government handed the cod fishery to huge factory ships even as their numbers dwindled. They had a sustainable inshore cod fishery, but they gave the last of the resource to the ravenous maw of industry. Us little people won't get the oil. Fugeddaboudit. We'll be told to fend for ourselves and others better connected will be driving around. Will the strategic petroleum reserve or the heating oil reserve be used to heat ordinary people's homes in a crisis, or will the oil go to heating places and houses owned by the powerful?

Let them eat cake.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby nth » Wed 07 Mar 2007, 13:18:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
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You really think the US efforts in the ME aren't about oil? It';s hard to imagine they're about anything else, considering. Certainly not really about terror, as we're not aggressively pursuing the main terror funding (Saudi Arabia) but fussing around elsewhere. For what? I think a position in the ME, for oil.


But, I suppose I could be wrong and it's really about terrorism or freedom, or something ideological.


Of course, it is all about oil. Do you see us going into Sudan or Somalia? They supposed to have terrorist links, too.

My point is that after PO and the acceptance that we are running out of oil that our government will be smart enough to move away from oil. I also assume the countries that do have oil will not want to give them away like they are doing right now.

Of course, I am not saying this is what will happen. I am saying this is what I hope to happen. I don't know what will happen. Your guess is as good as mine.

As for us common folks, of course, we won't see that last oil. I hope the last oil is used to transition away from oil in a power down society. Meaning very little energy provided to us and most energy provided to wealthy folks and key institutions.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby pea-jay » Thu 08 Mar 2007, 04:12:51

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Of course, it is all about oil. Do you see us going into Sudan or Somalia? They supposed to have terrorist links, too.



Judging by recent news reports, the US has been paying more attention to Somalia of late now that is has come to light that there is an oil possiblity in that area. China certainly figured a way to beat a path to the Sudanese government (and their oil supplies)

Still, I think our next non-ME military adventure is going to be Nigeria. There is no way a low grade conflict is going to be allowed to escalate in a country that produces and ships high quality oil to the US East coast on a regular basis.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 08 Mar 2007, 19:19:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nth', 'M')y point is that after PO and the acceptance that we are running out of oil that our government will be smart enough to move away from oil.


You have a great deal more faith in the smartness of our government than I do, I'm afraid. Here they are spending trillions to secure oil in the ME, for what, just to give up on it post PO? When will that occur, actually? At what point will they suddenly become "smart" and stop investing in oil?


I just don't see it, I see no evidence for that position whatsoever.
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Re: The GAO report on peak oil

Unread postby nth » Thu 08 Mar 2007, 19:47:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
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I just don't see it, I see no evidence for that position whatsoever.


There is no evidence for that position because they don't believe in PO.

As I said, I am not saying my scenario will happen.
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GAO REPORT ACKNOWLEDGING PEAK OIL (old- 2007)

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 07:09:12

I posted a link to a GAO report, then realized the stupid thing is from 2007! So I feel silly now with such old news, I'm not able to delete the forum post so here's the report anyway:

link too long

So sorry everyone for the old news spam. 8O I'm still glad I ran across it, as I didn't previously realize the federal government acknowledged the reality of peak oil. It's also interesting to see in the report the main bullet points I've learned from this website -- namely, that it's unlikely alternative energy techs can be developed quick enough to avoid what the report calls "severe consequences."
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Re: GAO REPORT ACKNOWLEDGING PEAK OIL

Unread postby Nano » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 09:14:48

Yep, everybody with half a brain currently acknowledges peak oil is probably here, or at least not far off. The discussion about the severity of the consequences is what matters now.

As before, there is still a sizable cornucopean camp out there which thinks that even with $500 oil, all will be well. There are even people welcoming the high prices in it's expected function as a stimulant for otherwise uneconomical sustainable development!
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