[mos6507]

This is why I think a die off, while perhaps inevitable, is not likely to happen for a while. I'm sure we can do better than this, or if we have to waste food, convert it into biofuels on the way out.

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[eastbay]

Thanks mos. I sent it to a few non- po.com friends. I think the use of the garbage disposal is responsible for a good portion of the waste. It's rather sickening to think of all those resources going down the drain.

[Armageddon]

If credit freezes, trucking will halt. Goodbye food. Systemic collapse is a real possibility.

[SpringCreekFarm]

That is why it is good to have some chickens around, if you can. I feed mine the majority of table scraps except for meat and meat products.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', 'T')hat is why it is good to have some chickens around, if you can. I feed mine the majority of table scraps except for meat and meat products.

[frankthetank]

I compost everything of mine...

[SpringCreekFarm]

I don't give meat scraps to my chickens because the meat scraps go to my outside barn cat to subsidize expensive cat food.

[CarlosFerreira]

I was in a conference with Bob Watson, the Chief Scientist with DEFRA, just yesterday. This was one of the problems put forward in his presentation.

The western world, thanks to various inefficiencies, throws away 25% of the food produced. Sub-Saharan Africa, because of the difficulty with distribution channels and storage, sees 40% of the food produced go bad. And he stated that in Africa the problem could be reduced, with a modicum investment, to 10%. The Chinese going over and building roads helps more that the dumping of subsidised food we do.

[mos6507]

Topic's drifting. I was talking about wasting the food before it's sold, not table scraps. I find it sad that we can't inject a little more computerized efficiency in matching food supply with food demand to minimize the waste, and we can't find better things to do with the waste than let it rot and relase methane directly into the atmosphere. No biogas reactors, no ethanol, no large-scale composting, nothing. There is so much that can be done if we gave a crap.

[CarlosFerreira]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')opic's driving. I was talking about wasting the food before it's sold, not table scraps. I find it sad that we can't inject a little more computerized efficiency in matching food supply with food demand to minimize the waste, and we can't find better things to do with the waste than let it rot and relase methane directly into the atmosphere. No biogas reactors, no ethanol, no large-scale composting, nothing. There is so much that can be done if we gave a crap.

[vtsnowedin]

Any production process has its failure rate. Its reject pieces and seconds. Agriculture, dealing with living things subject to attack from insects microbes floods and droughts, isn't it a wonder they get any good production at all. I would say that a 25% loss between field and store shelf is probably a historical low and without oil you would be hard pressed to match much less improve on it.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'I')f credit freezes, trucking will halt. Goodbye food. Systemic collapse is a real possibility.

[CarlosFerreira]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'I') would say that a 25% loss between field and store shelf is probably a historical low

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

Part of the problem is also picky consumers who expect all of their apples to look like the one on tv with no spots, blemishes or ever odd discolourations. Or those who do things like open corn on the cob but won't buy it because its not perfect inside. Then becuase the cob is open others won't buy it now either.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlosFerreira', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'I') would say that a 25% loss between field and store shelf is probably a historical low

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'P')art of the problem is also picky consumers who expect all of their apples to look like the one on tv with no spots, blemishes or ever odd discolourations. Or those who do things like open corn on the cob but won't buy it because its not perfect inside. Then becuase the cob is open others won't buy it now either.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'A')round here a lot of that ends up as pig feed. Its a hassel for the farmer to unpackage some of it but as long as its free all he has is trucking and time in it. To a pig stale bread and sour milk with some wilted cabbage is a devine repast.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'A')round here a lot of that ends up as pig feed. Its a hassel for the farmer to unpackage some of it but as long as its free all he has is trucking and time in it. To a pig stale bread and sour milk with some wilted cabbage is a devine repast.

[CarlosFerreira]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'A')round here a lot of that ends up as pig feed. Its a hassel for the farmer to unpackage some of it but as long as its free all he has is trucking and time in it. To a pig stale bread and sour milk with some wilted cabbage is a devine repast.

[CarlosFerreira]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'A')round here a lot of that ends up as pig feed. Its a hassel for the farmer to unpackage some of it but as long as its free all he has is trucking and time in it. To a pig stale bread and sour milk with some wilted cabbage is a devine repast.