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25% of all groceries go to waste

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Re: 25% of all groceries go to waste

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Thu 16 Apr 2009, 13:44:36

Lots of good ideas out there. Some local students came up with this one.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he idea is brilliant in its simplicity.
Place the more than 50 tons of food waste generated annually by UW-Stout into 55 gallon plastic
drums that roll down a 300-foot concrete trench over a 40-day period, and when the barrels reach
the end, the food waste will be turned into an organic soil.
In fact, the idea generated by three students in Noah Norton’s industrial design class at UW-Stout
is so good that it is among the top 10 of more than 100 projects submitted to the first-ever
mtvU/GE Ecomagination Challenge.
The students, Jason Burbank, Tobias Leidke and Tim Parmer, say they knew the idea was good,
but that they are surprised and pleased to find their project in the top 10 alongside projects from
the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), the University of Southern California and
Vanderbilt University.
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Re: 25% of all groceries go to waste

Unread postby Quinny » Thu 16 Apr 2009, 14:10:35

Where does it say between field and store shelf. I thought it was of all that reached the store shelf.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '8')) Any production process has its failure rate. Its reject pieces and seconds. Agriculture, dealing with living things subject to attack from insects microbes floods and droughts, isn't it a wonder they get any good production at all. I would say that a 25% loss between field and store shelf is probably a historical low and without oil you would be hard pressed to match much less improve on it.
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Re: 25% of all groceries go to waste

Unread postby Caffeine » Thu 16 Apr 2009, 14:26:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'L')ots of good ideas out there. Some local students came up with this one.


Nice article. It makes me wonder where colleges/universities get their food from (especially perishable food) and how far it has to be shipped to get there. Imagine some vegetable being shipped 3,000 miles to a university cafeteria, being wasted, then added to a landfill. (It's better that that vegetable becomes compost, of course.) Maybe that 3,000 miles could become 300 or 600 miles?
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Re: 25% of all groceries go to waste

Unread postby LNC » Sun 19 Apr 2009, 00:14:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')his is why I think a die off, while perhaps inevitable, is not likely to happen for a while.
Good finding, Mos.

Indeed, waste is America's real #1 pass-time. It sure shows we have tons of fat to cut before we really start hurting. A few years ago, the measurement of daily trash per American was 4 pounds. Then it jumped to ~4.8. Now I see people already rounding it 5 pounds per person per day. That doesn't include recyclables.

The die-off, IMHO, will come from more upstream. We won't be able to produce and/or import sufficient quantities to feed 300M, much less to waste.


I think an OMFG-die-off in North America is rather unlikely, nuclear war or pandemic aside. Those are real threats. The spectacular waste in North American society is what turned me from the path of doom to the path of optimism. So much food is wasted (In the form of meat production), and so much liquid fuels are wasted in personal transportation, that keeping vital infrastructure running even with serious supply shortfalls does not seem too far removed from reality to me.

The only real wild cards are geopolitical and pandemic related. If the dollar crashes, then America is in trouble, because even if enough oil might be available to keep things going, the US of A won't be able to buy it. Needless to say, nuclear war is on the table so long as the means exist for it to happen.

If we were in our present situation, and did not waste a ton of food on meat production and a ton of fuel on personal transportation, then I would be in the hills with MREs and guns somewhere. But the reality is there is plenty of demand to destroy. The options are not McLife or the stone age. Hell, I heard on the radio the other day that a local businessman figured out a profitable way to ship live lobster from Nova Scotia to L.A. by truck. In climate-controlled seawater-misted lobster life support trucks. There's some future oil demand that conventional economic theory predicts that won't be around for long.

On the subject of conventional economic theory, the only reason why perpetual growth is necessary is because the banks say it is so. In a future where perpetual growth is not a reality, does anyone really think that we need to worry about finding new Ghawars every X years when the mechanism that produces McMansions and SUVs and 50" televisions for everyone has failed (It already has)?

The fact is, if the doomers are right, the only viable strategy is to head for the hills with some guns and a bunch of MREs. If nuclear war or really bad climate change doesn't happen, of course. Is that kind of existence even a worthy goal?
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Re: 25% of all groceries go to waste

Unread postby VMarcHart » Sun 19 Apr 2009, 12:16:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LNC', 'I') think an OMFG-die-off in North America is rather unlikely...
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Re: 25% of all groceries go to waste

Unread postby LNC » Sun 19 Apr 2009, 14:53:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LNC', 'I') think an OMFG-die-off in North America is rather unlikely...
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Die-off may come from various sources, many of them not controlled by money, ie, acid rain, ozone layer, etc.


Well, yeah. I'm not discounting the possibility of really, really bad climate change or nuclear war or another factor making a die-off in North America a reality, but I don't think that even with stress on agriculture and infrastructure failure in some areas due to climate related events there will be a die-off even with cuts in imported liquid fuels or declines in NG to make fertilizer. We waste so much of our liquid fuels on frivolous transportation and so much of our agricultural capacity on meat that even as shortages in transportation fuels take hold, there will still be enough resources to keep the lights on, infrastructure intact and people alive for a few decades, during which time unemployment and food prices/rationing will make sustainable agriculture and living a mainstream reality.

Even with PO awareness fairly low in the general population, the zeitgeist (I'm not referring to the films) is changing in everyone's favour. People are waking up, and are not taking consumerism as seriously as they used to. This can only accelerate.

Fundamentalist doomerism has it's place, but it is not a constructive response. Because I'm anonymous here, I'll share a little bit about myself. Despite being lucky enough to live in Canada (and have above average income parents, too), I'm allergic to wasp, yellowjacket, hornet, ect... stings. Basically, if it's yellow and black and has a stinger (except honeybees), it has a good chance of killing me. With immediate medical help, I have a high chance of survival, but without medical help I have (Doctor's estimate) about a 50% chance of survival. If I survive, my immune system will overreact even more next time. Granted, dying of anaphalactic shock is not really that bad a way to go compared to what will likely happen to us according to fundamentalist doomerism.

Because I've known this since I was 9 (The bee sting thing, not peak oil), I grew up as one of the few people on Earth who has a chance of early mortality comparable to that of someone in a 3rd world country (Genocide aside), but is living in the first world. Maybe it's youth talking, but the reality is that growing up with a significant chance of early mortality is not that bad. Even for an atheist. Anyway, I can't remember who said it, but half your life is lived before age twenty no matter how long you live.
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Re: 25% of all groceries go to waste

Unread postby vaseline2008 » Fri 08 May 2009, 12:35:04

Isn't this just entropy? Waste happens...look at your fruit trees (those of you with apricot trees probably know best) don't some of the fruit just fall off the tree and rot back into the soil? 25% is a pretty low number after looking at all the produce that is in the supermarkets.

Go eat an apple, how much of it do you "waste" by not eating the entire core and all? How about if you peel the skin off?

That's why all the markets have those blowout sales on food to attract customers and to get rid of "old" produce, meats, and other staples.
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Re: 25% of all groceries go to waste

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 08 May 2009, 13:48:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LNC', '
')Fundamentalist doomerism has it's place, but it is not a constructive response.



Really? Some of the absolutely doomiest people on this message-board are doing the most to change their way of life in a positive way and promote change for others. Seems pretty damn constructive to me.

See the Planning Forum. :)
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