[RedStateGreen]

On a gamer forum I've been on for four years, they've got this gas thread going, with the usual OMG OHNOEZ! every time someone puts up a number.

But this one young guy is getting really panicky:

"what can we do? seriously!! what options do we have? I'm ignorant to the alternatives we have, so all you political junkies hop in here and explain to me why I'm paying nearly $4 a gallon"

So I post the link to the Peak Oil Overview.

This isn't the first time I've posted this particular link. I put a whole thing up before xmas warning people not to get in debt, and all the stuff that's going on with peak oil, climate change, taking away our freedoms, the economy, etc. Ignored last xmas.

Here's what happened yesterday:

I post the link. Silence.

Three hours later, the forum asshat jumps in (there's always one, the guy who always HAS to be right): Nothing we can do, the cost of oil is "FICTICIOUS" ... then he goes into how it's the speculators that are making the price go up.

Then everyone goes back to whining.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'T')hen everyone goes back to whining.

[RedStateGreen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'T')hen everyone goes back to whining.

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'B')ut this one young guy is getting really panicky: "what can we do? seriously!! what options do we have? I'm ignorant to the alternatives we have, so all you political junkies hop in here and explain to me why I'm paying nearly $4 a gallon"
Here's what happened yesterday:

Then everyone goes back to whining.

[RedStateGreen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'B')ut this one young guy is getting really panicky: "what can we do? seriously!! what options do we have? I'm ignorant to the alternatives we have, so all you political junkies hop in here and explain to me why I'm paying nearly $4 a gallon"
Here's what happened yesterday:

Then everyone goes back to whining.

[SpringCreekFarm]

I think that would make a great song, that is, a song with regard to the fact that we tell this very important message to a blank stare or we risk being ridiculed. My experiences have been very mixed. Of course that was a while ago because I've stopped talking about it with anyone new. I realized a long time ago very shortly after I "got it" that no one listens.

Edit: To remove OT content.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'I')t's sad, though, I've known these people for years and ... it's just sad to see what's coming.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'I')t may be a small measure of satisfaction, but there are times I cannot wait to put on a "Peak Oil: Told You So!" t-shirt...

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'I')t may be a small measure of satisfaction, but there are times I cannot wait to put on a "Peak Oil: Told You So!" t-shirt...

[cipi604]

Too many stupid people, crowded. Let them die. We are in this mess because of them. So, why bother?!

[Rage]

When somebody complains about the price of gas I tell them to stop buying it then. =

[Roy]

redstategreen it is sad.

I guess most of us longer-term POers know the blank stare and the ridicule SpringCreek mentioned very well. I've taken the same tack as he. Keep my mouth shut, do my work, and continue to learn how to provide for myself. There's a long way to go yet.

When people complain to me about the price of gas I always ask them how much they think it would cost for a team of men to push their vehicle the same distance as a gallon of gas would take it. And how long would it take?

I had a discussion yesterday with a co-worker about ethanol. He was actually open minded and didn't realize the energy content of ethanol was lower than gasoline and the corn-based ethanol was energy negative. His response was, "why are we funding that?". Unfortunately I don't know an authoritative answer to that question that makes any sense at all.

[Cashmere]

We're funding ethanol because . . .

1. The huge Ag interests purchased legislation that subsidizes growing corn for ethanol.

2. The average Congressperson has a science IQ equivalent to about a 3rd grade level, and they were/are desperate to promote "alternatives" to being dependent on buying oil from people who don't like us.


As for talking to the Donkey Shit Eaters, I've given up on it. Really. 100%.

Total number of converts - 0.

[jlw61]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'W')e're funding ethanol because . . .

1. The huge Ag interests purchased legislation that subsidizes growing corn for ethanol.

2. The average Congressperson has a science IQ equivalent to about a 3rd grade level, and they were/are desperate to promote "alternatives" to being dependent on buying oil from people who don't like us.


As for talking to the Donkey Shit Eaters, I've given up on it. Really. 100%.

Total number of converts - 0.

[JJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', 'O')n a gamer forum I've been on for four years, they've got this gas thread going, with the usual OMG OHNOEZ! every time someone puts up a number.

But this one young guy is getting really panicky:

"what can we do? seriously!! what options do we have? I'm ignorant to the alternatives we have, so all you political junkies hop in here and explain to me why I'm paying nearly $4 a gallon"

So I post the link to the Peak Oil Overview.

This isn't the first time I've posted this particular link. I put a whole thing up before xmas warning people not to get in debt, and all the stuff that's going on with peak oil, climate change, taking away our freedoms, the economy, etc. Ignored last xmas.

Here's what happened yesterday:

I post the link. Silence.

Three hours later, the forum asshat jumps in (there's always one, the guy who always HAS to be right): Nothing we can do, the cost of oil is "FICTICIOUS" ... then he goes into how it's the speculators that are making the price go up.

Then everyone goes back to whining.

[catbox]

I started spouting my findings on PO in 2004 at my old job as an early childhood educator. Even though I was working with some pretty open minded folks at the time, I don't think they really cared. I go back to that school now and then to volunteer or just visit and those same people are just now saying, "You were right!" But just one has done any prep work...Actually bought some land outside of town, raising chickens, a huge garden, etc.....she actually thanked me a month or so back and it felt good to know that one person had taken the task at hand seriously.

Where I work now, people have been hearing me spout for 3 years and I know some get it but are apathetic when it come to change. I actually had people telling me the price of oil a few months back and I thought, ok...people are waking up...we can collectively go into this as co-workers...blah blah blah...now everyone is back to their consumer driven ways and partying it up. Here's where I am....I stayed home a few nights back and continued my garden expansion while the company I work for (we're small..about 30 employees) had a get together. The reports were of people puking up their dinner and Petron shots, closing down the bar, and driving drunk to go party even more after that...I was the only one not hung over on Friday morning, I don't drink anyway. But....I had finished my prep work for the day and was satisfied. Granted many of the people I work with are younger, but at this point in the game it pays to get your shit together. I am done talking and will continue my prep in silence... even my 83 year old neighbor can't get why I am transforming my space into a small urban farm!


catbox

[SpringCreekFarm]

The more I think of this the more it amazes me. How people can be handed something so dismal and terminal by someone ( us ) that just a second ago seemed a "reasonable" person, and then just put up some "wall".

I suppose if you tell a person the heaviest of heavy things, a defense mechanism kicks in to save them from the panic stage. Just thinking out loud here.

I too have experienced an increased number of people that I told a few years ago, admitting that there actually could be a problem.

I wonder what it will be and when it will happen, that which sends the world into chaos when they finally find out that their world is going to end?

[Lumpy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', 'T')he more I think of this the more it amazes me. How people can be handed something so dismal and terminal by someone ( us ) that just a second ago seemed a "reasonable" person, and then just put up some "wall".

I suppose if you tell a person the heaviest of heavy things, a defense mechanism kicks in to save them from the panic stage. Just thinking out loud here.

[Pretorian]

Once more it makes me wonder, how much of your life , health or money would you spare to save some people you never heard of from oil depletion? What is this lunacy with everyone wanting to be a prophet?

[Lumpy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'O')nce more it makes me wonder, how much of your life , health or money would you spare to save some people you never heard of from oil depletion? What is this lunacy with everyone wanting to be a prophet?