[TheDude]

catbox - love your sig. Did your coworkers throw a TV Party by any chance?

Thought once about adding to my sig the final verse of Newest Industry by the Huskers - "Standard Oil goes solar power, all try to make a buck" - of course the rhyme in the next line is R Rated and this is a family forum!

Noticed just this morning a thread in the political section of a music forum I frequent concerning "Peak Oil Forums Website." Only the OP. Seems he thinks we're "vicious"! Pshaw. Set him straight. Wonder if that will go anywhere, I never try and win people over outside of here. Low EROEI on erasing most peoples' denial/ignorance.

[mos6507]

I'm starting to think maybe some people are so stuck in their ways that even if they know their way of life is doomed, they would rather just shrug their shoulders and let it play out. It's almost darwinian.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'S')eems he thinks we're "vicious"!

[JJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'O')nce more it makes me wonder, how much of your life , health or money would you spare to save some people you never heard of from oil depletion? What is this lunacy with everyone wanting to be a prophet?

[catbox]

Dude: Thanks for the props on the sig....no TV Party for the co-workers, more like a denial festival! Henry really did let everyone know that evening just how he was feeling! Sounds like you may have some punk rawk blood in ya?

Anyway.......

I really do like all the folks I work with and have recently had to tell myself that while some may get it, most won't and I have to be OK with it. I think the tough one is family, mostly my siblings..3 of them have actually left Eugene for Portland (PDX is ahead of most cities in many areas of PO, but it's still big city) to seek high paying jobs and think things will all be better with a new president. I actually hear that one a lot these days...UGH!

It's just nice to be able to come to the PO site and feel like someone is listening.


catbox

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('catbox', 'D')ude: Thanks for the props on the sig....no TV Party for the co-workers, more like a denial festival! Henry really did let everyone know that evening just how he was feeling! Sounds like you may have some punk rawk blood in ya?

[Peleg]

There is no future for America as we know it. Don't botther arguing with adolescents about it, their lives are lived iin the context of their society. They might rebel to look cool but when it comes to actually facing and apocalypse they will respond with the same misguided self-confidence that brought us to where we are.

Accept the fact that they are not going to listen. In fact I would argue that for most American citizens they cannot listen. Psychologically, emotionally, and intellectually they cannot concieve of a world without the benfits of cheap oil. They do not really care if we consume more than our share of the golbal oil pie, or what the consequences of that might be for others. As long as America keeps going the way we all imagine it is. And if by some unimaginable consequence the gas stops flowing what will we do then? that is not a thought that occurs to the average American, rich or poor, black or white, christian, bhuddist, muslim, gay or straight.

I've made my decision. With God's help I am getting out of this country. I will stand at a distance and watch the smoke of it's burning. I will not stay here to die with the sheeple when the inevitable consequences of ignorance fall upon them.

[Sellis1012]

This is my first post here so be kind. I consider myself level headed, even keeled and reasonable. I have been in love with cars since I backed my dad's 66 LeMans down the driveway at 3 years old. I own 6 vehicles, 3 of them Mustangs. I have hundreds of plastic model cars and hotwheels. All investments for the future...

Until a week ago.

I did not get on board Y2K, I was a voice of reason not to panic. I didn't buy a generator or even stock up. So, when I started reading about peak oil, and how strong an argument there was out there for it, I tried to find good arguments against it. Finding none, I now acknowledge begrudgingly that oil is finite, stretched thin, and every part of my life is dependent on it. However, I will not panic. As a reasonable response to my enlightenment, we have paid off our credit cards and are about to pay off the two cars we still owe on. We have a decent savings and are beginning to plan for stocking food supplies. I just listed two of my Mustangs for sale this morning. All things that make good sense anyway. My fear is I'm a day late.

So, as an encouragement, you've got my attention, and I'm defintely listening.

[RedStateGreen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sellis1012', 'M')y fear is I'm a day late.

[dunewalker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sellis1012', ' ')I just listed two of my Mustangs for sale this morning.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sellis1012', 'T')his is my first post here so be kind. I consider myself level headed, even keeled and reasonable. I have been in love with cars since I backed my dad's 66 LeMans down the driveway at 3 years old. I own 6 vehicles, 3 of them Mustangs. I have hundreds of plastic model cars and hotwheels. All investments for the future...

Until a week ago.

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sellis1012', 'T')his is my first post here so be kind. I consider myself level headed, even keeled and reasonable. I have been in love with cars since I backed my dad's 66 LeMans down the driveway at 3 years old. I own 6 vehicles, 3 of them Mustangs. I have hundreds of plastic model cars and hotwheels. All investments for the future...

Until a week ago.

[Sellis1012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sellis1012', 'T')his is my first post here so be kind. I consider myself level headed, even keeled and reasonable. I have been in love with cars since I backed my dad's 66 LeMans down the driveway at 3 years old. I own 6 vehicles, 3 of them Mustangs. I have hundreds of plastic model cars and hotwheels. All investments for the future...

Until a week ago.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sellis1012', '
')This isn't easy. Somebody's already interested in my Cobra.

[Sellis1012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sellis1012', '
')This isn't easy. Somebody's already interested in my Cobra.

[Hermes]

Don't worry: cars will be very cheap shortly. You'll be able to get as many as you'd like.

Sell your mustangs now, make a nice lump of cash ...

... and then buy them all back for a few chickens and a bag of beans in 5 years.

[Hermes]

double post...

[Sellis1012]

Weirdest day of my life. Out of the blue the previous owner of one of my cars calls me this morning and wants to buy it back. 6 hours later he is driving it back to the east coast. In the middle of all this, the power company shows up and cuts down a tree in my yard and leaves me the wood. It should last me half the winter should natural gas have a super spike too. So weird.

[TreebeardsUncle]

So, do folks think electric-biofuel hybrids will take the place of gas-powered cars?

Yep, the denial will last up into the $5 to $6 range. After that expect to see more anger along with the barganing we have already seen.

Then around $8 to $10/gallon there will be disbelief.

Maybe around $12/gallon folks will believe oil has peaked.

Around $15/gallon maybe they will not put such faith in oil sands and shale.

At $20/gallon, maybe coal-to gas conversion will be employed on a large scale.

I actually expect gas prices to head up to around $44 to $50/gallon within 40 years.
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[azreal60]

Back to the topic of this post..

Denial is unfortunately a very strong reaction in many people. Focus your attentions on receptive minds. It's not your job to open peoples minds. That's almost impossible. Instead, fill the minds you find open with knowledge.

Reminded me of another quote I love. I know I'm getting it wrong cause it's one am, but...

" Do not seek to bend the spoon. That is impossible. Rather, realize that there is no spoon, and it is yourself that is bending."

I should go to bed, I'm quoting the Matrix.