If I was asked to go to war I would...

by **kevincarter** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 09:50:23

Resource wars are here, and they are supposed to be just a tiny part of the whole big iceberg waiting down below. For now western armies have managed without making any compulsory recruitments, but let’s say that for whatever reason this changes and you, or someone you love is asked to go.

I hope that if this happens we could see it with enough time to react.

by **NEOPO** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 11:01:07

For reasons that "they" would never reveal even after my senator got on the trail - these bastards PDQ'ed me way back in 1991 so they will not be requesting my services anytime soon yet my just turned 18 year old daughter and two sons are a concern.

If they wanted to go then I would wish them luck but if they wanted to resist then that just may be a pivotal and defining moment in this life.

Uncle Sam - listen up - you took my father and even though he made it back he left his mind in the war.
I would rather die then allow the same to happen to my children especially now that I am aware of the manipulation, lies and deceit that most wars are perpetuated upon.

by **Schneider** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 11:24:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kevincarter', 'R')esource wars are here, and they are supposed to be just a tiny part of the whole big iceberg waiting down below. For now western armies have managed without making any compulsory recruitments, but let’s say that for whatever reason this changes and you, or someone you love is asked to go.

I hope that if this happens we could see it with enough time to react.

by **Roy** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 11:48:44

Resource war? No F'n way!

Defend this country from an invasion? Where do I sign up?

If the Army won't take me (they wouldn't when I wanted to join 20 years ago), then I'll have to be a partisan... That's IF this country is invaded/occupied by a foreign power... which is pretty unlikely in my lifetime, or so I believe. Nevertheless, the spirit of the Minuteman lives in me, and many of my fellow Americans I suspect.

No matter how I feel about the government that exists here now, I would still fight an invader with all my power/resources. I don't think that's an unusual attitude anywhere in the world. I guess its human nature.

by **Schneider** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 11:54:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', ' ')I would still fight an invader with all my power/resources. I don't think that's an unusual attitude anywhere in the world. I guess its human nature.

by **Toploader** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 12:27:36

I'm honestly not sure, so i'll just post the thoughts I've had the last few months, but they change all the time.

I say this because in a roundabout way the final resource war will likely be defining as to who comes out on top after the smoke has cleared in the 2nd half of the 21st century. In a way, we will be fighting for our tribe. Think about it, those in the middle east have been fighting each other for years, they are ready for war with the west. They will have no trouble in getting people to step up to fight the war for resources, but can you imagine what will happen to the west if everyone takes the 'I'm not fighting for oil' stance and goes into hideing? I used the middle east as an example there, but let's not forget county's like China where the population is still in fear of it's government, they will no doubt not run when told to fight.

We will end up invaded with LESS resources to fight them with then they have to fight us. So to say you would fight if we were invaded but not fight for oil to stop us getting invaded, is kinda conflicting when you think about it. Prevention is better then a cure as they say.

I'm not saying I agree with what's going on, just trying to accept the reality we are in.
I dislike how the modern capitalistic system works (this was before my peak oil awakening, I've always hated waste and materialistic things). But like it or not I'm born into it and at least I have experienced something that few before or after the industrial age will do, almost total freedom and freedom of speech, or at least the opportunity to become free by working in a job you enjoy and choose.

But this this freedom that will ultimately be the downfall of us IMO, as the western population will find it hard to accept they have to go and fight, and they no longer have the freedom to say no.

by **JustinFrankl** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 13:39:26

If you decide to kill someone, that's against the law. If your government decides you should kill someone and you don't, that's also against the law.

Defending yourself, though, is wired in. When threatened, you don't need to be directed, drafted, conscripted, or forced to defend youself or that which is important to you.

Most war is about resource acquisition, but has many facades, among them "justice", "liberty", and "god".

But thank "god" that the US put troops in the ME, cause otherwise we'd all be speaking Iraqi by now.

by **Ludi** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 13:39:56

I would curl into a fetal position. I wouldn't be much good fighting in that state.

I don't think they take crazy people anyway.

by **americandream** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 13:45:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', 'R')esource war? No F'n way!

Defend this country from an invasion? Where do I sign up?

If the Army won't take me (they wouldn't when I wanted to join 20 years ago), then I'll have to be a partisan... That's IF this country is invaded/occupied by a foreign power... which is pretty unlikely in my lifetime, or so I believe. Nevertheless, the spirit of the Minuteman lives in me, and many of my fellow Americans I suspect.

No matter how I feel about the government that exists here now, I would still fight an invader with all my power/resources. I don't think that's an unusual attitude anywhere in the world. I guess its human nature.

by **smallpoxgirl** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 13:55:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 't')hese bastards PDQ'ed me way back in 1991

by **TheTurtle** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 14:48:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 't')hese bastards PDQ'ed me way back in 1991

by **americandream** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 14:57:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 't')hese bastards PDQ'ed me way back in 1991

by **coyote** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 15:02:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'E')ven if the invaders are coming in to remove the boot from on the appendage that passes for your head and brain within?

by **TheTurtle** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 15:09:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'E')ven if the invaders are coming in to remove the boot from on the appendage that passes for your head and brain within?

by **dhfenton** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 15:23:18

Refuse to serve. Since WWII the U.S. miitary has been anything but defensive. Some would consider the Cold War military defensive against a Soviet expansion. That may be true; but, certainly since the fall of the Soviet Union the military has been used solely for offensive purposes. The aggression into Iraq has been total folly; and to die for another man's foolishness is truly to die in vain. I feel truly sorry for those service members who are trapped in the service and can't get out. The ones re-enlisting for this madness, I just can't understand how they think they're serving the best interests of their country by participating in this. I fully understand how young high school kids get sucked into it, thinking they're going to go kick "arab" ass. Then they find out that the "Arabs" kick back, after its too late. Its sad to see so many young lives ruined for Bush's ego. The wounded are forgotten, and their lives will never be the same. Those who carry mental scars for the rest of their lives are left to deal with the trama on their own. And there are always those who shouldn't have been given a gun in the first place, who commit inhuman attrocities. Some are caught and punished, some remain free. What was it one of the mothers of a soldier involved in the Mi Lai massacre told Seymour Hersch? "I gave them a good boy, and they sent me home a murderer." How sad that man has progressed so little that we still send our adolescent males (and now females) into these situations. All for pride, vanity, and oil.

There's no way I'd serve, and I would fight to make sure my children didn't get caught up in this mess.

by **Zardoz** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 15:28:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dhfenton', '.')..I would fight to make sure my children didn't get caught up in this mess.

by **WildRose** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 15:45:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dhfenton', 'T')here's no way I'd serve, and I would fight to make sure my children didn't get caught up in this mess.

by **dogf** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 16:17:33

As a Canadian, it's in my breeding to think no.

I am curious though why some think you might have to defend yourselves (Americans). To occupy a country, you must eventually physically be there. While by fluke they might have some magic air campaign that might work temporarily against you, but they can not occupy your land. You have too many roads. And you have too many personal weapons.
The roads are the main thing. Lets say they drop 1 million solders and 100K armored vehicles in the middle of Kansas. How would they ever get to all points covering enough road way to eventually limit travel of you, the occupied. It just can't happen.
Compare your countries road system to anyone else's. You can't.

by **threadbear** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 16:18:07

If I had kids, I think I'd put them in French immersion for a couple of years, then high tail it out of here, to France.

by **smallpoxgirl** » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 16:31:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dogf', 'I') am curious though why some think you might have to defend yourselves (Americans).