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If I was asked to go to war I would...

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If I was asked to go to war I would...

Go
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Try to escape for whatever means possible
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Face trial and try to save my ass in court
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 16:32:43

At 36 I'm out of the woods. "If" the National Guard began conscription or brought back the draft I doubt I'd go to the front line. I scored a 94 on my ASVABs 20 years ago so with my luck, I'd probably get stuck at a desk at a Air Force Base.
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby dhfenton » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 16:37:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dogf', 'A')s a Canadian, it's in my breeding to think no.

I am curious though why some think you might have to defend yourselves (Americans). To occupy a country, you must eventually physically be there.



Very good point. The U.S. military is designed to conduct offensive operations. As we've clearly seen time and again in the last century, occupations usually end in disater for the occupier. I guess the reasoning is that if you have an overwhelming military force, nobody will even consider a frontal attack on your territory. But, as we're finding out, individuals can inflict serious damage, and the military can do very, very little about it.
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 16:38:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dogf', 'I') am curious though why some think you might have to defend yourselves (Americans).
You can start with the fact that my homeland has already been under occupation for several hundred years by an illegitimate occupation government from a place called "Washington, DC". Having to fight to drive out would be occupiers seems to me the surest thing in the world.


What tribe and what % are you?

Just curious..
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 16:45:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'W')hat tribe and what % are you?

Just curious..
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby dogf » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 16:45:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dhfenton', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dogf', 'A')s a Canadian, it's in my breeding to think no.

I am curious though why some think you might have to defend yourselves (Americans). To occupy a country, you must eventually physically be there.



Very good point. The U.S. military is designed to conduct offensive operations. As we've clearly seen time and again in the last century, occupations usually end in disater for the occupier. I guess the reasoning is that if you have an overwhelming military force, nobody will even consider a frontal attack on your territory. But, as we're finding out, individuals can inflict serious damage, and the military can do very, very little about it.


So compare what is happening to your troops dealing with "insurgents". Then compare that to occupying a country who watches the outdoor channel. It's really almost funny what would happen. I mean any other countries deer crossing signs still look new. Yours are all full of holes. Hehhehe
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby Cobra_Strike » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 16:49:52

There is no way I would go fight for anything I did not believe in...and at least one rule that shows no signs of being let go would stand in my way anyway. That said, I have no issue whatsoever defending myself or my family. If the US was being invaded I would hold arms in its defense, even if only serving a militia. We are invading someone else though, and I do not like that.

I do not own an SUV, nor do I like the culture associated with them. I will not fight for it, unless I can be offered sufficient compensation...after all, I do have a price. That is important to think about, at some price I have a feeling anyone who was anti war could be convinced to go. Hunger is a strong motivator, if service guarantees sustenance many people would likely enlist.
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 16:50:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'W')hat tribe and what % are you?

Just curious..
I was born on the Chickasaw nation. Currently I reside on the Kootenai nation. Ethnically, I am about a quarter Irish and the rest assorted European mutt.


My father in law is the same, half Cherokee and a mix of german/irish.

Do you provide your medical services to the nation?
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby americandream » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 18:23:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dogf', 'I') am curious though why some think you might have to defend yourselves (Americans).
You can start with the fact that my homeland has already been under occupation for several hundred years by an illegitimate occupation government from a place called "Washington, DC". Having to fight to drive out would be occupiers seems to me the surest thing in the world.


So what are you, indigenous redskin or.....mebbe southern redneck yearning for the return of slavery and women the way they used ta be.....I like mine seen but not heard boy....yeeeeehaaaaaa!!!!!!
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby americandream » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 18:27:53

Poxy, havin indigenous blood today stands for bugger all if you're spouting this nationalist gobshite...we've loadsa indigens in kiwiland who would love to wield the anti-asian redneck whip given half a chance and a few Michael Jackson bleachings.

Read up on your Karl Marx and wake up to the facts of economic power, control and the dynamics of capitalism.
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby zoidberg » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 18:43:54

well If I was "asked" to go to war, I'd say no, very politely, and leave. :)
I was offered, for some unknown reason, an officer's commission, I'd think about it.

If the selective service knocked on my door and informed me I was drafted I would go, hope for the best, and learn with all my resources to be the best warrior possible, if only to help me survive.

I dont know why you Americans are so worried though - implementing the draft is possibly the quickest way to political suicide, for a good long time. things would really have to go sideways, ie a complete rout of American forces in Iraq, complete with sunk aircraft carriers, not entirely impossible, but improbable for the short to mid term.

Given such a reduction of American power then a draft and a bloody offensive may become probable.
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby AWPrime » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 18:44:26

Since I am in Europe, I have a larger chance of being invaded. So I voted Go.

However I do not have what it takes to be a frontline soldier, so I would go for weapon development or something like that.
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby americandream » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 18:58:06

I'ld look for the nearest bunch of plundering commie rabble rousers were things going belly up.

However, in the event of a draft in reasonably civil circumstances, I'ld jump ship to Venezuela or Cuba to enlist with leftist forces.

No way I'm gonna lift a finger to bale out a top down society....no way mate..what's in it for me?
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby SeasonOfPain » Thu 28 Dec 2006, 23:28:43

The idea of an external invasion of the U.S. is ludicrous... how the hell would a sufficient number of "invaders" even be transported here to subdue us, much less manage to "occupy" us? Even if such a force could be mustered, the resource requirements of such an invsaion would make it an impossibility. While a series of nuclear detonations (or more likely EMP discharges) is certainly not out of the question, and might even be strategically viable, I don't see a conventional invasion of the continental U.S. happening.

An interesting variation on this (from a U.S. perspective) is what one would do if there was a civil war. I seriously doubt the U.S. will be able to maintain its solidarity in the face of resource depletion, and things could get interesting when there are no longer resources to keep the money flowing to existing subsidized areas. Not to mention the huge cultural schism already in place when resources are still relatively plentiful.

In any case, I would not willingly commit violence on another person so that a privileged few could maintain a doomed lifestyle.
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 00:20:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'R')ead up on your Karl Marx and wake up to the facts of economic power, control and the dynamics of capitalism.
Yeah. I read the flier. After we finish the third verse of the Internationale we'll all be transported to the Marxist nirvana in the sky. We'll sit around writing manifestos and sipping vodka while the bosses cater to our whims. We can also spend our time denouncing eachother and bickering about while 4 person group meeting in their parent's basement is the "true" revolutionary party.

All things considered, I'd sooner be ruled by the shrub than by a communist dictator.

BTW, like I said above, I'm not a Native American....at least not in the Eugenics blood quantum sense.
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby americandream » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 00:51:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'R')ead up on your Karl Marx and wake up to the facts of economic power, control and the dynamics of capitalism.
Yeah. I read the flier. After we finish the third verse of the Internationale we'll all be transported to the Marxist nirvana in the sky. We'll sit around writing manifestos and sipping vodka while the bosses cater to our whims. We can also spend our time denouncing eachother and bickering about while 4 person group meeting in their parent's basement is the "true" revolutionary party.

All things considered, I'd sooner be ruled by the shrub than by a communist dictator.

BTW, like I said above, I'm not a Native American....at least not in the Eugenics blood quantum sense.


You're gonna get dictatorship shrubbie, whether you like it or not....you've a choice between the kind in which you will have a choice of gruel and gruel while some whacko pumps yer ass in a rat infested squalid hole beyond the barbed wired fences of the bossman or one in which there is order in a commune run by the precise rules of equity and ABSOLUTE DISCIPLINE.
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby TheTurtle » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 13:31:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'a') commune run by the precise rules of equity and ABSOLUTE DISCIPLINE.
Please cite ONE instance where there has been a Marxist society that abided by the "rules of equity". :roll:
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 16:18:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '.')..ABSOLUTE DISCIPLINE.

Oh, yeah. That's real compatible with human nature. Gosh, I wonder why Marxism has been consigned to that proverbial "dustbin of history"?
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby Roy » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 20:49:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he idea of an external invasion of the U.S. is ludicrous...


Is it now??? I guess you aren't aware of the "peaceful" invasion going on right now. Something like 3 million Hispanics cross the border into the US each year.

When times start to get tough, due to (pick your poison) peak oil, crash of the dollar, globalization killing the middle class, etc, there will be conflicts I believe.

After seeing the demonstrations last year with the illegals carrying Mexican flags, La Raza, the Reconquista, etc, I believe it is truly myopic to consider such a conflict as an impossible occurence.

Just take a look a Yugoslavia once the Iron Curtain fell.

I moved from an area where caucasians are a minority to an area where they're a decided majority.

I think all the PC "love thy neighbor", melting pot bullshit will melt away after a few missed meals or when/if gasoline gets expensive/unavailable.

We make our choices and take our chances. I choose to live amongst my own tribe, not as a minority among another tribe, so to speak.

And yes, I will fight to defend my way of life from an invader. That does not mean I would volunteer to fight in Iraq/Iran/X-stan.

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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby SeasonOfPain » Tue 02 Jan 2007, 14:23:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he idea of an external invasion of the U.S. is ludicrous...


Is it now??? I guess you aren't aware of the "peaceful" invasion going on right now. Something like 3 million Hispanics cross the border into the US each year.

When times start to get tough, due to (pick your poison) peak oil, crash of the dollar, globalization killing the middle class, etc, there will be conflicts I believe.

I agree with you on that point. Immigration is the largest contributor to overpopulation in many developed countries, and will undoubtedly lead to racial tensions that will become severe in times of scarcity.

However, that isn't what I'd consider an "invasion". I suspect that places like New Zealand and Canada will view poeple fleeing the U.S. in much the same fashion, but that doesn't mean that such refugees are part of an invasion force. They are and will be people fleeing to an area where they perceive they will have a better chance of surviving. They are not doing so out of a sense of malice or conquest.

If I lose my job because a corporation gives it to an immigrant worker who is trying to feed their family, I blame the corporation, or our economic system, not the worker who is going to do what they need to do to get by.
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Re: If I was asked to go to war I would...

Unread postby ECM » Wed 03 Jan 2007, 00:43:11

I have been PDQ'd. When I went to join the military I was in the first group the day after the heart rate/blood pressure machines were recalibrated. Before most of my group got their 3rd test the doctor ordered manuals from then on. I however already had three tests. The doctor said to the nurse "He has had his three tests" so I was denied a manual test.

I even got a 99(The highest possible) on the ASVAB.
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