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Hey! Now we're wasting money blowing up comets!!

Unread postby crzydmnd72 » Fri 01 Jul 2005, 20:29:10

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Unread postby Ludi » Fri 01 Jul 2005, 20:48:59

Better than wasting it blowing up people..

Oh wait, we're doing that too....
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Unread postby killJOY » Fri 01 Jul 2005, 20:49:47

Just so a bunch of scientists can go, "COOL."
Peak oil = comet Kohoutek.
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Unread postby Omnitir » Fri 01 Jul 2005, 22:18:50

The Deep Impact project is amazing. For the first time scientists will be able to see firsthand the chemical makeup of a comet.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'J')ust so a bunch of scientists can go, "COOL."


-So scientists can go “COOL”, then spend much time analysing the results and gain a better understanding of life the universe and everything.

But I suppose people around here are to close minded to accept the benefits that pushing scientific studies forwards can offer humanity.

But, oh, oil production will peak sometime soon. So lets just abandon all our scientific pursuits because we won’t need science in the future… :roll:
An while we are at it lets give up on our art, culture and history because we won’t need it in the future..
(Sorry about that, it’s just a general peeve I have with many people’s attitude towards a post oil world).

I’m glad the world isn’t run by science intolerant people. The people that matter realise that pushing science forward is humanities only hope, while many people in the PO community seem to think the only possible future is to revert to the stone-age.

Most people will be rather shocked when this kind of research eventually leads to attaining resources from space. Just like most people were shocked when the Wright brothers first flew. –But I suppose by then most people today will be dead :twisted:
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Unread postby dub_scratch » Fri 01 Jul 2005, 23:22:23

This and many other of the science projects done by our jerk-off agency NASA is much to about nothing.

If we as a society would have been taking oil depletion more seriously, perhaps these types of projects would be more focused on the prospects of developing some new form of energy to get us beyond oil. Who knows, but if we would have been listening to Bucky Fuller and Hubbert, and if we looked bravely into the eyes of societal death at the end of oil, then we might have been able to lick oil depletion with scientific and engineering breakthroughs by now.

But since we would rather ignore oil depletion, our publicly and privately funded research has been directed elsewhere. Instead of striving to new energy, we took the easy route by burying our heads in the sand while living it up at the oil party. Ignorance is bliss, especially while doing things like blowing holes in comets and saying "oh how COOL."
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Unread postby Antimatter » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 02:11:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'J')ust so a bunch of scientists can go, "COOL."


COOL!
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Unread postby aldente » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 02:26:04

Five year old boys in the sand box like to see things clash, too, Boooom! The same impulse must be the driving force behind this project. The make up of comets is well known. Who tf cares in a world where economic reality is about to clash with the prevalent mindset?!
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Unread postby fossil_fuel » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 03:07:35

actually i think that this is a good use of money. Humans need to figure out the best way to blow up a threatening comet/asteroid. If we all survive peak oil, this is a problem that will some day face us. If an asteroid can destroy the dinosaurs, it could certainly destroy post-PO humanity as well.
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Unread postby killJOY » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 07:32:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '-')So scientists can go “COOL”, then spend much time analysing the results and gain a better understanding of life the universe and everything.

But I suppose people around here are to [sic] close minded to accept the benefits that pushing scientific studies forwards can offer humanity.
OK, so maybe I should have said, "a bunch of NASA astronomers."

This stupid-ass comet is getting more press than Peak Oil.

Science isn't perfect and is subject to the same self-centeredness as any other human discipline.

I don't care about this stupid waste of money. Before you accuse me of being "close-minded" about scientific studies....let me tell you, I use my writing class to teach skeptical analysis, evolution vs creationism, and Peak Oil theory. It's a bit ingenuous of you to lump my criticism of this project into a contempt for all "scientific studies."

Blowing comets is for school boys.
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Unread postby dub_scratch » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 09:38:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('fossil_fuel', 'a')ctually i think that this is a good use of money. Humans need to figure out the best way to blow up a threatening comet/asteroid. If we all survive peak oil, this is a problem that will some day face us. If an asteroid can destroy the dinosaurs, it could certainly destroy post-PO humanity as well.



Good Rational. After peak oil we'll be able to fight off an approaching comet asteroid with our amazing post-peak oil technology. Perhaps we can station donkey carts to catch an approaching asteroid.
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Unread postby fossil_fuel » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 14:55:43

no, it's good that we're dong this NOW while we still have the fossil fuels to experiment and figure out how to do it.

there will still be telescopes post-peak. and if there's any sort of organized government, i'm sure a threatening asteroid would be it's #1 priority and that we could scrounge up the few thousand barrels that would be needed for such a mission. the main problem i see would be the technical expertise
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Unread postby Raxozanne » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 15:14:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('fossil_fuel', ' ')and if there's any sort of organized government, i'm sure a threatening asteroid would be it's #1 priority


I don't know I think that monitoring and supressing any potentional invasion from another country would be 1# priority for any government.
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Unread postby agni » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 16:57:58

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Blowing comets is for school boys.


"blowing comet" is a press bastardization of the actual study. Read up alittle on what they are doing. Also, spending a fraction of a percent of what you spend on War, Medicare, Welfare, stadiums, etc on something that could help us expand our knowledge horizon is not a waste.

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Unread postby Omnitir » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 01:28:59

You people that think this is a waste; I suppose you also think that most high-end science research like particle physics is also a waste? Because this project is basically the same experiments as the kind performed in studying sub-atomic particles – speed up some atoms in a particle accelerator, smash them into each other and study the result. This is the best means we have to determine the makeup of sub-atomic particles, just as recording the collision of a commit with high-tech instruments is the best means we have to study an important aspect of our solar system.

Some people may think that scientific research in an area they are not personally interested in is a waste of money, but those people should not go trashing such research just because they have no interest in it. It is valid research and of great interest and importance to many people other then yourselves.

If you want to attack something for being a waste of money, then set your sights on the many facets of capitalism and the corporate world. Attack the plethora of needless materialistic consumerism that humanity indulges in. Attack the self-centred governments of the world that look after themselves before their people. Or best of all attack the ultimate in a waste of money – the human penchant for weapons and to blow things up.

But do not attack something that’s purpose is to merely try and understand the universe a bit better, and perhaps eventually help make the world a better place. Compared to the oceans of money wasted on other useless crap, any such scientific endeavour is both worthwhile and cheap.

The Deep Impact project is far from a waste of money, and is inexpensive pre PO. Choose a better target to attack.
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Unread postby k_semler » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 01:37:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '
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Sounds good to me! Art serves no useful purpose. An item accomplished with no purpose is just a waste of effort. Art has no purpose, therefore it is a waste of time. I second the motion to abolish art, (at least abstract art that dosen't resemble anything). At least the Mona Lisa and sculptures take effort, while abstract art looks like something that a 5 year old or a monkey made. If it looks like nothing, then it is not art.
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Unread postby aldente » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 02:53:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 't')he collision of a comet with high-tech instruments is the best means we have to study an important aspect of our solar system.
Choose a better target to attack.


YOU are the target! Who tf gives a shit about our solar system while our precious and thin live supporting bioshpere is under severe attack? Remember when there were headlines about findings of fossil bacteria on Mars? Same thing - this planet is full of live and then the media gets off on fossil bacteria on Mars....go figure!
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Unread postby agni » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 11:40:58

Its tragic that so many people seem to be unable to appreciate anything outside their really narrow circle of interests and have no curiosity.

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Unread postby Laurasia » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 12:56:10

I say keep going with the space programme for as long as possible, keep the Arts, keep the intellectual curiosity in high gear - it's what we do well, and is part of the nature of our species (one of the better parts, I might add).

Petroleum geologists are scientists too, and I'm rather glad we've had their input to explain the realities of Peak Oil, thus giving some of us, at least, a chance to prepare.

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Unread postby Chuckmak » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 13:23:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laurasia', 'I') say keep going with the space programme for as long as possible, keep the Arts, keep the intellectual curiosity in high gear - it's what we do well, and is part of the nature of our species (one of the better parts, I might add).

Petroleum geologists are scientists too, and I'm rather glad we've had their input to explain the realities of Peak Oil, thus giving some of us, at least, a chance to prepare.

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Unread postby aldente » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 19:19:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('agni', 'I')ts tragic that so many people seem to be unable to appreciate anything outside their really narrow circle of interests and have no curiosity.


Just because I am opposed to steering space crafts into comets does not mean that I have no curiosity. Take a dose of LSD, go in a sensory deprivation tank like John Lilly did in the 60's and 70' and see in what universe this journey will take you. Our mind is the mirror image of the outer universe, how could it be otherwise?

Then again though Tim Leary was a big proponent of "physical" space travel and he sure enough had his fare share of trips in the inner universe.

My point? There is none ,or probably: Hey guys has anyone access to good LSD? I volunteer for a journey into the inner universe!

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