THE Alex Jones Thread (merged)

by **Rickenbacker** » Fri 17 Jun 2005, 18:34:41

I've just watched Alex Jones' "Martial Law 911". When I first started watching it I thought it was going to be the usual bs but I was actually overwhelmed.

I had previously thought that peak oil was an ignored issue that is going to shock western economies into chaotic recession and depression, but today I began to think if there may not be other possibilities.

I now think there are five possibilities. 'They' represents the controllers of global wealth and energy supplies. I have indicated whether these possibilities will lead to general chaos, a maintenance of the current global system of order, or a move to a 'new order' - a new system of functional governance, for better or worse.

1) 'They aren't worried because PO isnt a problem'

The Global governments are well clued up on the energy supply situation and are inactive because PO is either a long way off or will not cause the chaos suggested by proponents of the theory.
[PO wrong, no conspiracy, ORDER MAINTAINED]

2) 'They didn't know'

Peak oil is upon us, and is an issue that has been barely addressed by the global governments/media due to ignorance and short-sightedness to the point where it is too late to act and we will see economic recession and depression with its infinate chaotic possibilities.
[PO correct, no conspiracy, CHAOS]

3) 'They know and are quietly worried'

Peak oil is upon us, and has been known about for a long time by those 'in the know'. Coverage has been intentionally or incidentally suppressed as governments have little idea what to do about it, and have been silent due to indecision and a fear of creating panic.
[PO correct, conspiracy of silence but not action, CHAOS]

4) 'They know and are quietly confident'

Peak oil is upon us, has been known about for a long time by those 'in the know' and coverage has been intentionally suppressed as governments have a plan to use the situation to their advantage in the great game, one which would be more difficult if the general public were informed. Alternatively , they may have energy technologies which they have kept schtum about to make more money for crony fossil fuel companies and will release this tech when necessary.
[PO correct, conspiracy of silence and action, NEW ORDER]

5) The 'Grand Illusion' Theory

Peak oil is an intentionally created myth by the global elite to justify actions which would otherwise be impossible. (War, martial law etc.) This myth was possible to create because of the secretive nature of oil reserves.
[PO wrong, total conspiracy, NEW ORDER]

Obviously, 2/3 may not be complete chaos as we may find ways of coping, but it will be an organic, therefore chaotic process. Similarly, 4/5 may not create a new order, as the best plans can fail. The chaos/order really reflects government intention (or absence of it!)

If some of these are not possibilities, or you believe there are more, or perhaps I have duplicated some, feel free to add/flame!

by **Nike62** » Fri 17 Jun 2005, 18:52:19

The most part of people I've spoken to, believe to your 1st option.
The others, believe to a slight different version of your 4th possibility:
[PO correct, conspiracy of silence and action, ORDER MAINTAINED]
You could call them the "magic wand" believers!

by **OilsNotWell** » Fri 17 Jun 2005, 18:53:17

Here's another one:

The Grand Theft Theory

'They' have known about PO for a long time, were silent about it (no post 1980 policy effort made other than secret studies), planned for it, and presently engaging the plan for securing resources in the ME and Caspian for world conquest..

[6] PO correct, conspiracy of silence, plan of subterfuge and domination and ultimate control of last remaining oil in geopolitical struggle

by **Rickenbacker** » Fri 17 Jun 2005, 19:03:08

oilsnotwell, i would argue that that comes under possibility 4, i.e. PO correct, governments know, but have a plan.
Nike, if PO is correct, then there can't possibly be 'order maintained' as we will have to move to a new way of existence. Perhaps that will be poor countries getting f**ked over, or perhaps we will all use water engines in our car, but things will change.

Apologies for overkill on the editing, just trying to keep things flowing!

by MD » Fri 17 Jun 2005, 19:04:58

Dmonstate consiracy by locating and exposing assive elite refuge. Also explain lack of leakage.

Conspiracy just doesn't exist on grand scale. It is impossible to hide for numerous reqasons.

by **Rickenbacker** » Fri 17 Jun 2005, 19:07:29

[pointless, edited out]

by **Rickenbacker** » Fri 17 Jun 2005, 19:10:50

MD, have you ever seen the operation northwoods documents? though the plan was never carried out, the simple fact that they believed they had the capacity to carry out such acts with ipunity suggests to me that you can hide a conspiracy on a massive scale. And they've had a lot of practice since then...

by **aldente** » Fri 17 Jun 2005, 19:58:30

I don't quite get this Alex Jones figure. Here a link to another Peak Oil forum where he is quoted: ...it is disturbing to note that in many instances these same researchers have been seen to push obvious frauds like the peak oil theory.
link

Here an analysis of the fellow:Alex Jones analysis

by **Rickenbacker** » Fri 17 Jun 2005, 20:29:31

I feel the same way, not entirely sure how to take him as a person. But his motives seem noble enough, and his passion is admirable, though it makes it easy for people to discount him as a ranting loony and not listen to him with an open mind. The bohemian grove stuff would seem completely nuts if it wasnt for the interview with that govt official. If it's true then he's got balls and I reckon he's lucky not to have been destroyed (professionaly or worse).

All that said, a lot of what he says is hard to discount, and if 10% of it is true then the world as we know it is paper thin. Perhaps it's because he creates the picture then finds the evidence to fit, but until I see a damn good debunk of his work, I'll find it hard to discredit him.

by **Budmeister** » Fri 17 Jun 2005, 20:32:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rickenbacker', '5')) The 'Grand Illusion' Theory

Peak oil is an intentionally created myth by the global elite to justify actions which would otherwise be impossible. (War, martial law etc.) This myth was possible to create because of the secretive nature of oil reserves.
[PO wrong, total conspiracy, NEW ORDER]

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Fri 17 Jun 2005, 23:05:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'D')monstate consiracy by locating and exposing assive elite refuge. Also explain lack of leakage.

Conspiracy just doesn't exist on grand scale. It is impossible to hide for numerous reqasons.

by **Rickenbacker** » Fri 17 Jun 2005, 23:39:41

lol yeah, I assumed either intoxication or really fat fingers

by **MacG** » Sat 18 Jun 2005, 00:55:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rickenbacker', ' ')
2) 'They didn't know'

Peak oil is upon us, and is an issue that has been barely addressed by the global governments/media due to ignorance and short-sightedness to the point where it is too late to act and we will see economic recession and depression with its infinate chaotic possibilities.
[PO correct, no conspiracy, CHAOS]

by **Nike62** » Sat 18 Jun 2005, 09:09:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rickenbacker', 'N')ike, if PO is correct, then there can't possibly be 'order maintained'

by **Rickenbacker** » Sat 18 Jun 2005, 17:15:46

I understand, but perhaps I misworded the initial post. What I was attempting to say was that if PO is wrong, then the current setup of society will continue unabated. If PO is correct, then some changes are inevitably going to have to be made, be they political, economical, technological etc.

by **wisegoat** » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 02:58:13

I'm listening to him live right now.. he just yapped and yapped on a tangent for a long while, pretty much forgetting about a caller who didn't even really ask his question yet... well.. he talked about a past show how he intereviewed someone highlighting how peak oil is a fraud.... say what? Anyone catch it?

by **I_Like_Plants** » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 04:36:15

He probably agrees with the "Peak Oil is a Bildersbergers plot" stream of thought some have put links to on here...

I can't get over how Alex Jones sounds like Foghorn Leghorn.

by **The_Virginian** » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 06:43:23

C'mon guys give AJ a break, no ones perfect.

he does a good service on most issues(say sep. 11), but on PO he falls down.

Just proof no man is whole, and you should LISTEN to everyone, and then apply your brain to interpret what they say.

by **Tanada** » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 07:03:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', 'C')'mon guys give AJ a break, no ones perfect.

he does a good service on most issues(say sep. 11), but on PO he falls down.

Just proof no man is whole, and you should LISTEN to everyone, and then apply your brain to interpret what they say.

by **EnemyCombatant** » Thu 23 Jun 2005, 09:34:39

We've discussed AJ several times on this board. Perhaps you can search for it?

Aj has tons of respect from almost everyone in the 911 movement, including Griffin. He is considered the grandfather of the 911 movement.

His documentaries are irrefutable. I hope you get his latest, Martial Law 911 Rise of the police state. It's the best 911 documentary. And this is coming from everyone in the 911 community.

And who says AJ doesn't do research? You must be mistaken. Here is a website which lists all of his sources for his latest documentary.

http://martiallaw911.info/

AJ is one of the guys who sneaked in Bohemian Grove. He's got Richard Gergan on tape getting his panties in a bunch about Bohemian Grove.

Lastly regarding PO. Don't be completely sold that PO is for real. Listen to Alex and why he thinks it's a trap to bring about the NWO. I've listened to his viewpoint and of course the peak oil viewpoint. Both sides make excellent points. Keep an open mind. Especially regarding Alex Jones. Yes he's a pro-life, pro-gun Christian. But as someone above said, you can't agree with anyone 100%. I surely don't agree with AJ on everything. But please at least go through his website. He is worth a serious look.

Regards.