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Unread postby some_guy282 » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 20:00:34

"I'd like to help save the environment, but I can't give up my car. That's like asking someone to give up chocolate. It's not going to happen." - paraphrased from a woman speaking in a BP comercial.

I wanted to laugh and cry when I saw this. But mostly, I wanted to pull the woman out of the TV and beat her to death. God forbid we give up our cars to help save the environment, I mean - cars are like chocolate! And you know how much we all need chocolate, right? Our need for chocolate is right up there with air and water. So if cars are like chocolate, I guess that logicailly means we need cars like we need water and air too.

I'm wondering what the exact rational is behind putting that line from an "average joe" in the comercial. Is it supposed to be funny? Of course the rest of the "average joes" watching the comercial agree with the sentiment, which is sad.

Who still thinks that Americans will sacrifice their cars (and their chocolate!) when the time comes?
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Unread postby Cola-Is-Petroleum » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 20:09:53

That is pretty sad, I have to admit. But she is a product of her culture. Her self-indulgent, co-dependent, undisciplined, selfish, short-sighted culture.
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Unread postby holmes » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 21:31:27

when the time comes you will not go to prison after shooting these types. Youll know when that time comes. the cops will have too much on their hands. A discreet slaughter and house burn will just go by the wayside. Keep it quiet and youll be smooth. :) . I will have no problem ignoring these types screams of pity and whinning. :)
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Re: "I'd like to help save the environment, but....&quo

Unread postby JohnDenver » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 22:12:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', 'I')'m wondering what the exact rational is behind putting that line from an "average joe" in the comercial. Is it supposed to be funny? Of course the rest of the "average joes" watching the comercial agree with the sentiment, which is sad.


Would it be any better if you put Aaron in the commercial with his SUV, saying "Petroleum depletion is deadly serious business. But, hey, you gotta have a car if you live in Houston"? Or Monte blathering on about the devasted environment, but claiming he needs his Mazda Miata to get to work? Or Rincewind saying: "Damn right I've got a car, and I use it. You can't escape from unsustainable practices in the modern world, so why bother?"

Yep, lots of people here have reasons why they need a car, and everyone of them is just another "average Joe" poster boy, perfect for the next BP commercial.
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Unread postby JohnDenver » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 22:16:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'w')hen the time comes you will not go to prison after shooting these types. Youll know when that time comes. the cops will have too much on their hands. A discreet slaughter and house burn will just go by the wayside. Keep it quiet and youll be smooth. :) . I will have no problem ignoring these types screams of pity and whinning. :)


Holmes: What kind of car do you drive?
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Unread postby Granny-May » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 22:39:39

These are the people I worry about and mourn before their misery. I know many who will be able to make the transition, but many, many more who will suffer for their inability or unwillingness to accept that the way we live must change.

Cornucopian idealogy only keeps these innocents in the dark.

ps- my husband and i share one Ford Focus and both work mainly from home.
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Unread postby JohnDenver » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 22:56:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Granny-May', 'p')s- my husband and i share one Ford Focus and both work mainly from home.


After we thoroughly harangue the poor lady from the BP commercial, and she gives up her car in shame, will you be keeping the Ford Focus?
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Unread postby BiGG » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 23:07:21

So I take it I’m not making any friends here by thinking about replacing my 320 HP sedan with the new 440 HP version just because it’s the coolest?
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Unread postby johnmarkos » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 00:02:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'W')ould it be any better if you put Aaron in the commercial with his SUV, saying "Petroleum depletion is deadly serious business. But, hey, you gotta have a car if you live in Houston"? Or Monte blathering on about the devasted environment, but claiming he needs his Mazda Miata to get to work? Or Rincewind saying: "Damn right I've got a car, and I use it. You can't escape from unsustainable practices in the modern world, so why bother?"


Or me, saying, "We are not taking MUNI to the doctor's office for my wife's pre-natal appointment. It would take over an hour each way, the mean bus riders don't give up their seats for a pregnant woman, and the bus stop is too far for her to walk comfortably."

What if we had one of those little solar powered golf carts from this month's Make Magazine? Would that be acceptable? Or are all private, motorized vehicles out of the question?
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Unread postby savethehumans » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 00:23:58

I saw the ad. I stared at it for a minute. It didn't go away. So I realized that it was for real. Did a double-take. Rolled my eyes. Turned to the next page of the magazine I was reading, musing "What's the USE?!" to myself.

They could've REALLY gone into Bizarro Zone, though, if the woman had said, "But I can't give up my car! It'd be like giving up my credit cards!" At least they'd have been closer to the crux of the matter! :evil:
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Unread postby jato » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 00:46:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')hen the time comes you will not go to prison after shooting these types. Youll know when that time comes. the cops will have too much on their hands. A discreet slaughter and house burn will just go by the wayside. Keep it quiet and youll be smooth. . I will have no problem ignoring these types screams of pity and whinning.


Them is fighten words! :evil:
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Re: "I'd like to help save the environment, but....&

Unread postby some_guy282 » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 01:08:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '
')Would it be any better if you put Aaron in the commercial with his SUV, saying "Petroleum depletion is deadly serious business. But, hey, you gotta have a car if you live in Houston"? Or Monte blathering on about the devasted environment, but claiming he needs his Mazda Miata to get to work? Or Rincewind saying: "Damn right I've got a car, and I use it. You can't escape from unsustainable practices in the modern world, so why bother?"


Actually, yes. People like Aaron, Monte, and Rincewind understand that oil is a valuable and non renewable resource. They wouldn't trivialize it's use by comparing it to something as stupid as chocolate. They also wont be frothing at the mouth and ready to start a riot when gas prices go through the roof. They'll be more willing to adapt by car pooling, biking, using mass transit, etc. People like the idiot in the comercial wont adapt until they're absolutely forced to. God forbid they accept they'll have to give up their chocolate, er, car lifestyle for good.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 01:17:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')hen the time comes you will not go to prison after shooting these types. Youll know when that time comes. the cops will have too much on their hands. A discreet slaughter and house burn will just go by the wayside. Keep it quiet and youll be smooth. . I will have no problem ignoring these types screams of pity and whinning.


Them is fighten words! :evil:
A good reminder that there are good men and women putting their lives at risk and who will be putting their lives at even greater risk to hold onto the thin veneer of Civilization. Kudos, jato.
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Unread postby JohnDenver » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 01:23:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'W')ould it be any better if you put Aaron in the commercial with his SUV, saying "Petroleum depletion is deadly serious business. But, hey, you gotta have a car if you live in Houston"? Or Monte blathering on about the devasted environment, but claiming he needs his Mazda Miata to get to work? Or Rincewind saying: "Damn right I've got a car, and I use it. You can't escape from unsustainable practices in the modern world, so why bother?"


Or me, saying, "We are not taking MUNI to the doctor's office for my wife's pre-natal appointment. It would take over an hour each way, the mean bus riders don't give up their seats for a pregnant woman, and the bus stop is too far for her to walk comfortably."


Wow! That's way more effective than the original ad. Powerful. The pregnant lady angle is genius! Nothing like a pregnant lady to soften up the viewer emotionally.
You should contact BP and pitch the idea. They pay top dollar for material like that.
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Unread postby johnmarkos » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 02:19:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'W')ow! That's way more effective than the original ad. Powerful. The pregnant lady angle is genius! Nothing like a pregnant lady to soften up the viewer emotionally. You should contact BP and pitch the idea. They pay top dollar for material like that.

Thanks, but I probably won't. After our exchange the other day, I talked to said pregnant lady, who basically agreed with your points. Later on, however, she turned to me and remarked, "I thought of a reason why we might want to keep the car: we might need it to bug out at some point."

I guess my wife is part doomer.
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Unread postby Granny-May » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 10:38:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Granny-May', 'p')s- my husband and i share one Ford Focus and both work mainly from home.


After we thoroughly harangue the poor lady from the BP commercial, and she gives up her car in shame, will you be keeping the Ford Focus?


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I figure when the gas runs out we'll just harness up the dogs. Pit bulls love to pull as demonstrated by the boy in the photo. If this 60 pound dog can haul 2050 pounds of concrete, my pair should be able to get the Focus up to a good speed. Maybe we could give that nice lady a ride to the market?
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Re: "I'd like to help save the environment, but....&

Unread postby bobcousins » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 19:46:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '
')Would it be any better if you put Aaron in the commercial with his SUV, saying "Petroleum depletion is deadly serious business. But, hey, you gotta have a car if you live in Houston"? Or Monte blathering on about the devasted environment, but claiming he needs his Mazda Miata to get to work? Or Rincewind saying: "Damn right I've got a car, and I use it. You can't escape from unsustainable practices in the modern world, so why bother?"


Actually, yes. People like Aaron, Monte, and Rincewind understand that oil is a valuable and non renewable resource. They wouldn't trivialize it's use by comparing it to something as stupid as chocolate. They also wont be frothing at the mouth and ready to start a riot when gas prices go through the roof. They'll be more willing to adapt by car pooling, biking, using mass transit, etc. People like the idiot in the comercial wont adapt until they're absolutely forced to. God forbid they accept they'll have to give up their chocolate, er, car lifestyle for good.


Aaron et al would give up their cars if they wanted. They haven't, so they don't want to. They will give them up when they need to. So no different to Mrs Advert.

Or they understand PO so they are allowed to use cars. Mrs Advert doesn't, so is not allowed to.

Pregnant woman is allowed to use a car; nothing can get in the way of successful procreation.

So it's OK to f*** the environment and increase population as long as you know better and preach to others who don't.

JD is right on the money. Yours is a load of hypocritical BS. It might make you feel good to denigrate the little people, but you don't even set an example for them to follow. :shock:

"Calm down dear, it's just a commercial"
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Unread postby ArimoDave » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 22:59:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BiGG', 'S')o I take it I’m not making any friends here by thinking about replacing my 320 HP sedan with the new 440 HP version just because it’s the coolest?


Seriously BiGG,

When was the last time you pushed the gas pedal to the floor and held it for 4 seconds or more
in your 320 Hp sedan. Do you really need that much Hp?

I tend to do it a lot, but I only have about 120 Hp -- I can't even get the tires to spin on dry pavement.

But, I am riding my bicycle on all my short errands and to school and back -- instead of taking the car.

I am actively working on reducing my dependance on the car, as are many other members. I don't
want to be caught unprepared when it becomes too costly to drive anymore -- except in emergencies.

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PS I got over my addiction to coffee -- so others should be able to get over their addictions to chocolate and cars.
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Unread postby some_guy282 » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 00:58:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', '
')Yours is a load of hypocritical BS. It might make you feel good to denigrate the little people, but you don't even set an example for them to follow. :shock:

"Calm down dear, it's just a commercial"


I ride a bike, thank you very much.

You and JD can defend that woman all you want. As for me, I think the kind of sentiment she displayed in the comercial is complete total and utter stupidity that is leading our entire civilization to disaster.
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Unread postby Wildwell » Sat 11 Jun 2005, 07:14:29

You'll never get 95% of people out of there cars 'to save the environment', they aren’t capable of thinking that big. You ought to hear the pro-roads lobby over here atm over proposals for road charging, they seen nothing wrong with 16 lane roads, knocking everything down just to stick more roads in and giving everything over to car parking.

No thought for where all this might be heading, you would think it was all based on renewable fuels with nil pollution.

I guess it's a measure of our selfishness, no doubt some higher power or our own actions will snub out human civilisation as it fails all the tests in care for its environment and fellow man, almost like someone spraying a fly as it because a nuisance or runs out of pig shit to land on. Enjoy it while you can.
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