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Zerohedge vs Deception In Media

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Sun 07 Jun 2009, 23:34:36

From Tyler Durden at Zero Hedge

Wall Street's Secretive and Dangerous Dark Pools
http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/03/mystery-of-wall-streets-dark-pools.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ew things on Wall Street are as secretive and mysterious as "Dark Pools" - stock crossing networks that provide liquidity not displayed in market order books. The biggest implication of this is that an outsized bid can be matched up with an offer in a private transaction without disclosing the transaction at all. Traditional financial markets generate liquidity by openly advertising buy and sell interest in a given venue, with real time liquidity data provided by publishing market depth (think Level 2). Dark Pools, or Dark Liquidity, as they are sometimes known, have been used more and more by brokers and funds in transacting off market in increasingly greater volume.


Some Commentary from The Market Skeptic Blog
http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/06/dark-pools-and-insider-trading-growing.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, unravelling all this is tricky as hell. But the vortex is obvious: it is red ink fed through the USA and flows mostly from Asia to the USA and back again while various dark pools are used to suck up the wealth flowing out of the USA. For this is what it is all about: we are going ever deeper into debt. Even if we, individually, cease going into debt, our country is. There is a lot of red ink there and this year alone, there was $750 billion trade red ink and on top of this, $200+ billion of government red ink which means a trillion dollars of red ink flowed this last year and translating this into wealth for the rich is where these various hedge funds and dark pools are all about.


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Re: Dark Pools - Here there be Monsters

Unread postby Jotapay » Mon 08 Jun 2009, 09:58:58

"Tyler Durden" knows his stuff. I try and look at his blog every day.
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Re: The Etp Model, Q & A Pt. 10

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 20 Mar 2017, 02:51:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '@')Asg
Oh and Zerohedge is at the cutting edge if financial news.

If you're going to make statements like this, then don't be surprised when your credibility score is roughly zero on your doomer economic arguments.

By the way, if you want to cite some publication as being "at the cutting edge if [sic] financial news", a credible choice would be "The Economist", because they actually write good articles about economics and use real world data instead of pushing a hard crash doomer agenda and being wrong many times each and every week.

Would either you or Asg, care to cite specific examples of ZH, making wrong predictions. And provide links to corroborate said wrong predictions. Easy for you deniers to make blanket statements without backing them up. Which is pretty much ALL your statements! It really is getting pathetic
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Re: Carrying Capacity/Human Overshoot; Pt. 2, 21st century p

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 20 Mar 2017, 08:10:02

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Re: Carrying Capacity/Human Overshoot; Pt. 2, 21st century p

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 20 Mar 2017, 11:11:28


The economy is a lot like a person. It ages and begins to die, but the process can take years. Old folks will collapse near death and then make surprising recoveries, and soldier on to lead happy fulfilling lives . . . for a while. Then another collapse.

It's sad, you make peace long before the actual death. This is why I would have never recommend following the trolls. They are dominionists, believe God and the Economy will always solider on. False hopes folks.

nice observation P :)
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Re: Carrying Capacity/Human Overshoot; Pt. 2, 21st century p

Unread postby asg70 » Mon 20 Mar 2017, 12:37:37




Seriously, do you read anything other than Zerohedge?

This is what your appeals to authority really look like:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-11/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-12/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-13/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-14/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-15/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-16/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-17/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-18/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-19/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-20/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-21/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-22/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-23/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-24/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-25/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-26/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-27/theendisnigh
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-28/theendisnigh

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Re: The Etp Model, Q & A Pt. 10

Unread postby asg70 » Tue 21 Mar 2017, 08:36:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '
')Would either you or Asg, care to cite specific examples of ZH, making wrong predictions.


Start a separate thread about it and I'll be glad to oblige.

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Deception in media

Unread postby onlooker » Tue 21 Mar 2017, 09:45:19

Just to chronicle what sources have and are disseminating the most deceptive and inaccurate stories. Maybe we can shed light on whether the MSM or alternative news are being more truthful and factually rigorous than its counterpart.
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Re: Zerohedge vs Deception In Media

Unread postby onlooker » Tue 21 Mar 2017, 15:18:16

This is a good article that takes issue with the optimistic perspective of the Gates foundation. It assails some supposed facts and also points to glaring omissions. So a good link to include here to discern who is closer to the truth
http://www.humanosphere.org/opinion/201 ... -evidence/
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Re: Zerohedge vs Deception In Media

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 21 Mar 2017, 16:06:54

A lot of people who consider themselves 'progressive' have the same blindspot as the Gates foundation IMO. When looking at their own actions they only look at what they consider the successes and either sweep the failure under the rug or pay minor lip service to the lessons learned from them without actually changing anything after the acknowledgment.

Progress is a human concept and like all human endeavors it suffers from a fatal flaw when pushed too far, the law of diminishing returns. Take the Civil Rights movement which really started with Women's Suffrage as a movement in the 1880-1920 era. Women gained the right to vote and gradually over time this franchise was extended to non-whites and then even 18-20 year old Americans. Having achieved so much towards achieving equality before the law for every American they kept pushing on with LG rights, covering an additional 3 percent of the population. Unfortunately for some folks equality before the law isn't good enough, and no minority is too small for special protection. The latest cause celeb has been the whole transgender bathroom mess fomented over the 2015-16 period that covers a very very small minority of about 0.3 percent of the population most of whom used the appropriate bathroom without any interference from society special needs for protection. In this case the costs to the rest of society for the purported cure by the government caused a much higher social cost than the vanishingly small number of transgender folks who were physically harassed and needed protection. Those few cases would have been better handled by enforcing existing harassment laws than by creating the mess that was created.
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Re: Zerohedge vs Deception In Media

Unread postby Ibon » Tue 21 Mar 2017, 16:20:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', ' ')In this case the costs to the rest of society for the purported cure by the government caused a much higher social cost than the vanishingly small number of transgender folks who were physically harassed and needed protection.


I agree with this post and I would two comments.

First the costs to the rest of society was the election of Donald Trump. Please note I am not saying this from a partisan position, just recognizing that Trump won more because of the point Tanada made rather than his perceived merits as a potential president before the election. What cost or benefit to the nation remains to be seen.

Secondly, the democrats "progressives" threw a bone with no meat on their constituents with gay marriage and LGTB rights. This was a social issue that cost nothing in keeping the corporate lobbyists subsidized and fat. What a sham health care reform became catering to the insurance and health care industry as a case in point. No meat. Climate change legislation. No meat. Financial industry reform. No meat. Disparity of wealth. No meat. Immigration reform. No meat.

Nope, you can't just blame this on the republicans having been obstructionist. Sorry.

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Re: Zerohedge vs Deception In Media

Unread postby onlooker » Tue 21 Mar 2017, 16:44:02

Two points to what Ibon and Tanada are saying, First, the entire political apparatus is hopelessly corrupted to serve financial overlords and the "bones" being thrown by both parties are just posturing to get votes. Oh and consistent with this thread the main Media serves financial overlords as well. You can say the country as a whole serves financial overlords.
Now, for the larger point which Tanada hinted at being the law of diminishing returns. As Ibon is also well aware all matters pertaining now to human life on Earth is informed and subservient to the Environment and its status and how out of balance population wise we are with it. So, this claim by the Gates foundation is patently false and irresponsible especially as to future outlook which environmentally and thus economically bodes catastrophe " Indeed, the letter more or less boils down to a single claim: “The world has been getting better over the past 25 years, and as long as we keep doing more of the same, it will continue to get better. Trust us.”
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Re: Zerohedge vs Deception In Media

Unread postby onlooker » Tue 21 Mar 2017, 18:07:10

Here is a quote from the recently departed ― David Rockefeller, alluding to the Fourth Estate being captured by the financial and other elites:

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years......It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”
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Re: Zerohedge vs Deception In Media

Unread postby dissident » Tue 21 Mar 2017, 18:08:20

The value of zerohedge and other alt media is that they offer a counterpoint to the monochrome, officially sanctioned narratives spewed by the "real" media. The media consumer must get off their lazy, credulous a** and actually exert intellectual effort to sort through the weed field that is "news". The notion that the MSM is the only legit source is total rubbish.

It is easier to see the full spectrum crap that is the modern western media scene when one has solid external information links. The perspective of most people in Syria, Russia, China and elsewhere sees through the official narrative BS coming through CNN, et al. This is not an implicit claim that they do not have their own information bubbles. But different bubbles have different vantage points. I will take the opinion of a randomly interviewed Syrian over all the western MSM and pundits that tell me what to think.

Alex Jones is a total nutjob when it comes to climate science but that does not mean he is a total writeoff with no useful function in the information space.
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Re: Zerohedge vs Deception In Media

Unread postby onlooker » Tue 21 Mar 2017, 18:13:01

I will take the opinion of a randomly interviewed Syrian over all the western MSM and pundits that tell me what to think.---And I will take the opinion of a randomly interviewed person over all the MSM and pundits of ALL the Govts that tell me what to think.
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Re: Zerohedge vs Deception In Media

Unread postby asg70 » Tue 21 Mar 2017, 18:52:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') will take the opinion of a randomly interviewed Syrian over all the western MSM and pundits that tell me what to think.---And I will take the opinion of a randomly interviewed person over all the MSM and pundits of ALL the Govts that tell me what to think.


And that is why your various appeals to authority aren't worth much here.

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Re: Zerohedge vs Deception In Media

Unread postby onlooker » Tue 21 Mar 2017, 18:58:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') will take the opinion of a randomly interviewed Syrian over all the western MSM and pundits that tell me what to think.---And I will take the opinion of a randomly interviewed person over all the MSM and pundits of ALL the Govts that tell me what to think.


And that is why your various appeals to authority aren't worth much here.

So sayeth the newbie who hasn't even taken the time to gain some credibility on this site or discover the points of view of others before he is bad mouthing me and others.
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