[Carlhole]

MSNBC

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')AN FRANCISCO — Jeff Wilcox, a middle-aged, clean-cut man who dresses in the Bay Area casual business attire of clean jeans, collared shirt and running shoes, may be the face of Marijuana, Inc, the corporatization of cannabis.

He has just persuaded Oakland to legalize industrial-sized marijuana farms, touting a study that promised millions in city taxes and hundreds of high-paying union jobs.

[americandream]

Anything that corrupts your perception of reality can only but assist those with their hands in your pocket change. Religion, drugs, mysticism...same ol' shit posing as this or that panacea to life's daily challenges.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '[')url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38379515/ns/business-us_business/]MSNBC[/url]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')AN FRANCISCO — Jeff Wilcox, a middle-aged, clean-cut man who dresses in the Bay Area casual business attire of clean jeans, collared shirt and running shoes, may be the face of Marijuana, Inc, the corporatization of cannabis.

He has just persuaded Oakland to legalize industrial-sized marijuana farms, touting a study that promised millions in city taxes and hundreds of high-paying union jobs.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'A')nything that corrupts your perception of reality can only but assist those with their hands in your pocket change. Religion, drugs, mysticism...same ol' shit posing as this or that panacea to life's daily

[americandream]

Half your problem is YOU actually believe the shit you post. Now where did we encounter someone like you in recent history, albeit on a grander scale. Oh yeah, Greenspan, Mr derivatives Goldfinger.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'A')nything that corrupts your perception of reality can only but assist those with their hands in your pocket change. Religion, drugs, mysticism...same ol' shit posing as this or that panacea to life's daily

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', ':')lol: Half your problem is YOU actually believe the shit you post. Now where did we encounter someone like you in recent history, albeit on a grander scale. Oh yeah, Greenspan, Mr derivatives Goldfinger.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'A')nything that corrupts your perception of reality can only but assist those with their hands in your pocket change. Religion, drugs, mysticism...same ol' shit posing as this or that panacea to life's daily

[americandream]

Whether I am inarticulate, have a lower IQ than you, am not as clever as you, am not as qualified as you or whatever little pompous nonsense you can dream up, the fact remains that you post remedies for a wasteful system without addressing the core issue I have repeatedly raised with you. Whither these remedies on a world of finite resourcing.

Until that is answered to my satisfaction, you will be summarliy dismissed as a corporate lackey for each and every post that reeks of elitist drivel. And I will do it with all the relish of the inarticulate.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', ':')lol: Half your problem is YOU actually believe the shit you post. Now where did we encounter someone like you in recent history, albeit on a grander scale. Oh yeah, Greenspan, Mr derivatives Goldfinger.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'A')nything that corrupts your perception of reality can only but assist those with their hands in your pocket change. Religion, drugs, mysticism...same ol' shit posing as this or that panacea to life's daily

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'W')hether I am inarticulate, have a lower IQ than you, am not as clever as you, am not as qualified as you or whatever little pompous nonsense you can dream up, the fact remains that you post remedies for a wasteful system without addressing the core issue I have repeatedly raised with you...

[yeahbut]

Ahem (clears throat, shuffles papers) to get back to the OT, I think that's great news. Whether or not you think marijuana is the opiate of the masses(or opiates are for that matter, or booze is, or cocaine, or legal pharmaceuticals, or work, or molasses), the fact is it's already in wide-spread use. Prohibition of pot has all the same negative impacts on society as did alcohol prohibition, and is as effective. Of all the illegal drugs out there, pot is surely the least dangerous. It certainly has its negative effects, when abused, but then they all do, don't they- legal or otherwise. There's no suggestion that illegality is any deterent to irresponsible drug use/abuse, probably quite the opposite in fact. From all accounts, people hammered the booze worse than ever when it was illegal, and ususally in stronger forms.

However, I expect this initiative to be crushed somewhere along the line. Irrationality and hypocrisy towards drugs other than alcohol is so widespread, and so deep-seated, that I will be amazed if this is actually sustained long-term. I would love to be proved wrong. Come on, California!

Also, I wonder if it were to be fully legalized, would someone be allowed to grow their own few plants? I know that's how it works here in NZ for tobacco(Ludi put me on to that- cheers Ludi ), and also with homebrewed beers, wines and spirits, I hope something similar would be the case for pot.

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'A')nything that corrupts your perception of reality can only but assist those with their hands in your pocket change. Religion, drugs, mysticism...same ol' shit posing as this or that panacea to life's daily challenges.

[timmac]

Yes it is time to legalize Marijuana once and for all and lets bring back Hemp to make more products to use less oil..

[americandream]

There's a simple retort to your emotional attachment to capitalist party time excess. The explosive growth in technical developments to grease the wheels of the perpetual growth machine will STOP when its waste cycle exceeds its resourcing inventory, UNLESS (and I repeat myself for the thousandth time for the hard of thinking)

1 We invent alchemic resourcing (a Singularity something for nothing machine in other words) of the magnitude of the energy bonus we have enjoyed in oil), or;

2 We establish deep space resourcing fleets whilst overcoming the logistics of deep space travel, including cost effectiveness and the problems with proliferating space junk.

Unless these things can be shown to be feasible with arguments to support, the notion that the Singularity will suddenly rescue us one fine sunny morning is frankly, pie in the sky of the stupidest kind and frankly, you people need to shut up. Your half baked ideas simply deepen the hole we are digging for future generations.

And that does not suggest in anyway that technical developments will cease. With the rise of Reason, has advanced man's ability to reason at the level of the creative. This however is distinct from the fine tuning of the junk that is overwhelming us from China and the other manufacturing hubs of capitalism. There's a difference!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'W')hether I am inarticulate, have a lower IQ than you, am not as clever as you, am not as qualified as you or whatever little pompous nonsense you can dream up, the fact remains that you post remedies for a wasteful system without addressing the core issue I have repeatedly raised with you...

[americandream]

Answer my post to Carlhole and hey, I'll grow the fcukkin stuff. Otherwise, leave the intellectual stuff to those with their marbles reasonably intact.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'A')nything that corrupts your perception of reality can only but assist those with their hands in your pocket change. Religion, drugs, mysticism...same ol' shit posing as this or that panacea to life's daily challenges.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Mexicans and morality

The response of Mexican cartels could be the most significant issue for California, which hopes to drive illegal drug operators out of business. The drug industry source from Los Angeles sees organized crime throughout the marijuana trade in southern California. They grow in the mountains, but they also search the cities for independents. "Once they find out who you are, they will tax you," said the source, miming putting a gun to a head. He was skeptical that legalization would change the industry.

If done poorly, legalization may simply invite them to put down roots, say law enforcement personnel, who fear the Mexican mafia will take the hit to profits, go legitimate and start supporting political candidates who back their causes.
"The cartels already have the supply lines. They already have the business, they already have the product. The only thing you are going to do is give the cartels a legal drug to sell," said LA Sheriff's Department's Walsh.

Despite the money at play, Californians may decide the issue on the basis of morals, just like many of the creators of the Tax Cannabis movement.

"My big thing is ending prohibition, getting people out of prison who shouldn't be there, stop the violence, get better police protection, return respect for laws and law enforcement," said Richard Lee, the founder of Oaksterdam University in Oakland, a school which teaches marijuana growing.

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'A')nswer my post to Carlhole and hey, I'll grow the fcukkin stuff. Otherwise, leave the intellectual stuff to those with their marbles reasonably intact.

[americandream]

I'll ask you again. Defeat my communist challenge with a concise argument VINDICATING your belief in perpetual growth or shut up. I am throwing down the gauntlet to anyone who cares to take it up (We have had one very public failure of the something for nothing scam to date it must be said).

The argument is as follows:

Capitalism has not made a case for the resourcing of perpetual hgrowh on a finite world other than vague elastoplast remedies and obscure hopes in a technical Singularity that has yet to eloquently and clearly close the Marxist position that capitalism must fail as a consequence of it's failure to close it's inherent waste loop, premised as that waste is on annual growth and built in obsolescence.

edit: and as a Marxist, it is my belief that drugs including weed are just another suite of mind altering substances to pacify the sheep whilst the grazing thins out. Prove me wrong with a cogent argument my capitalist friends and why, I will take up the weed with a gusto that will surely warm your heart.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'A')nswer my post to Carlhole and hey, I'll grow the fcukkin stuff. Otherwise, leave the intellectual stuff to those with their marbles reasonably intact.

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I')'ll ask you again. Defeat my communist challenge with a concise argument VINDICATING your belief in perpetual growth or shut up. I am throwing down the gauntlet to anyone who cares to take it up (We have had one very public failure of the something for nothing scam to date it must be said).

The argument is as follows:

Capitalism has not made a case for the resourcing of perpetual hgrowh on a finite world other than vague elastoplast remedies and obscure hopes in a technical Singularity that has yet to eloquently and clearly close the Marxist position that capitalism must fail as a consequence of it's failure to close it's inherent waste loop, premised as that waste is on annual growth and built in obsolescence.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'A')nswer my post to Carlhole and hey, I'll grow the fcukkin stuff. Otherwise, leave the intellectual stuff to those with their marbles reasonably intact.

[americandream]

And I will repeat myself for the mentally challenged. Weed should under no circumstances be legalised. It will only harm the common man in reducing him to a pacified, idiotic state, whilst his world is looted by the perpetual growth scam, which incidentally has no future.

Dissect each element in there timmac, and defeat it, or else shut up!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I')'ll ask you again. Defeat my communist challenge with a concise argument VINDICATING your belief in perpetual growth or shut up. I am throwing down the gauntlet to anyone who cares to take it up (We have had one very public failure of the something for nothing scam to date it must be said).

The argument is as follows:

Capitalism has not made a case for the resourcing of perpetual hgrowh on a finite world other than vague elastoplast remedies and obscure hopes in a technical Singularity that has yet to eloquently and clearly close the Marxist position that capitalism must fail as a consequence of it's failure to close it's inherent waste loop, premised as that waste is on annual growth and built in obsolescence.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'A')nswer my post to Carlhole and hey, I'll grow the fcukkin stuff. Otherwise, leave the intellectual stuff to those with their marbles reasonably intact.

[timmac]

Weed opens up one's mind to the every day crap that is out there, it also free one's thought, things such as this the communist hate because we think free and for ourselves..

Why put folks in jail over weed when a bottle of Jack can do more harm and is legal, why not produce taxes instead of jail time that cost taxes, why support the drug cartel when you can support the local weed farmer, it also opens up the Hemp making business, something the plastic/oil companies hate, Why Not..

Legalize Marijuana..............


Start your own thread about why communist society is better AD, I will slay your thread...

[americandream]

You have not answered my quite reasonable and legitimate queries and therefore your position fails and weed is shown to be what it is. A narcotic to dull the wits of the already dumbed down worker, which must not be legalised nor be supported for legalisation by any true radical desiring to see a reasoned social economy that serves the masses.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'W')eed opens up one's mind to the every day crap that is out there, it also free one's thought, things such as this the communist hate because we think free and for ourselves..

Why put folks in jail over weed when a bottle of Jack can do more harm and is legal, why not produce taxes instead of jail time that cost taxes, why support the drug cartel when you can support the local weed farmer, it also opens up the Hemp making business, something the plastic/oil companies hate, Why Not..

Legalize Marijuana..............


Start your own thread about why communist society is better AD, I will slay your thread...

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou have not answered my quite reasonable and legitimate queries and therefore your position fails and weed is shown to be what it is