[mmasters]

I think it's interesting how many here have questioned peak oil and become aware yet haven't questioned much else. As if peak oil we're the only thing being kept hidden from the public mind. That there's no agenda with our money system. Our government is only incompetent. The democrats "can" make a difference. There was no conspiracy on 9-11. There is no new world order agenda. That peak oil doesn't tie into a bigger picture.

It's as if some folks couldn't decide between taking the blue pill or the red pill so they just decided to take them both. Either that or peak oil was too much for them to handle and they've become too chickenshit to dig any deeper.

[TheTurtle]

Yeah, I agree completely. Once you call into question part of our dominant paradigm, the rest, IMO, should fall easily into place and become readily apparent. The fact that it clearly doesn't for most folks still amazes me.

It's like being a little kid and figuring out that there is no Santa Claus, but still clinging desperately to the notion of the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

[Bas]

problem is that a lot of these "conspiracy" theories cannot be conclusively proven; they can become a matter of belief sometimes rather than something that has been proven at least somewhat.

Besides that, it's always good to be skeptical of the "official story" as our leaders and the MSM bring it. The same skepticism, however should be applied to the "conspiracy" theories ofcourse. I, for one am very skeptical of both the "official" stories as well as "conspiracy" theories; I contemplate all but usually end up believing nothing.

[WildRose]

It is just so huge. I understand the implications of peak oil, globalization, NAFTA and deep integration, have learned about the secret societies, etc. The destruction of the middle class and resultant increase of those living in poverty is very disturbing. So many things about our western way of life are clearer to me now, things like debt servitude: it should not cost so much money for people to have a roof over their head. I realize that house prices took huge jumps after most families had two bread-winners and how our governments want mothers out working, to the detriment of their children. Government registered education savings plans - I would never recommend this, unless you can be sure your kid will do everything according to the way they have it set up, to the letter; otherwise, your money will serve you better in your own bank, we found this out the hard way. It is shameful that our governments use the addiction of gambling to reduce the amount of taxes for the wealthy. Lines of credit to the ying-yang.

All of this, and the media in all its forms entices the population to do its best to keep the whole thing running, against all of our best interests. I know NEOPO has said the best thing to do is just drop out of everything, and I agree that is the only way to stop it, but how do all the people on this continent drop out of everything.

[LightCodes]

Alot of its down to the fact that the truth is so far away from the lies, and the majority of people can't mentally bridge that gap. Just think its took many hours of research for me to get where I am, and most people don't have the time to research it.

As long as there is TV, alcohol, work, etc people are never going to dig deeper, as they are spoon fed how the world is constantly on the box. Its bin laden, its those evil terrorists etc etc, and you keep repeating the matras enough times it becomes peoples reality. Repetition is the greatest form of mind control.

If you ever watched Bush's speach you will see how clevely they are crafted. Key words are repeated many time (terrorists, Al-ceida).

What really surprises me is that people will believe what these people are saying as a matter of fact with absolutely no evidence. The only evidence they do normally have is fabricated. Just look at all the Bin Laden tapes, he was different in nearly all of them. Its laughable. But because someone in a suit in a news room is telling you that, its got to be True!

Who benefits thats the question you've got to ask. If you think they are going to protect you, then your going to be in a for a shock. If you think taking away personal freedoms is the right way to go then you really need to wake up. Imagine the government can just come along and take you away with no defense, no trail, nothing. THEY can say your a terrorist, and you can be sent to be tortured. So people that question the government are terrorists. People think we live in a free land, but really its a police state already, its just been done right under your nose.

Chris

[Twilight]

Once you have grasped energy, population, money and the environment, everything else is just detail. There are too many distractions in all this, proving too tempting for many to resist.

[TWilliam]

What gets me is how the vast majority seem to think that just because a group of terrorists... *ahem*... excuse me... a group of patriots got together about 230 years ago and wrote down a declaration of their refusal to surrender their personal liberty to imperial rule, that somehow Imperialism --with it's several thousand year history-- just suddenly went away.

To believe that the Imperialist elites of Europe simply abandoned their dreams and visions for exploiting the New World just because of a measly Revolutionary War is naive in the extreme, as is the belief that various organized groups are incapable of carrying plans for such exploitation forward through multiple generations.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', 'Y')eah, I agree completely. Once you call into question part of our dominant paradigm, the rest, IMO, should fall easily into place and become readily apparent. The fact that it clearly doesn't for most folks still amazes me.

It's like being a little kid and figuring out that there is no Santa Claus, but still clinging desperately to the notion of the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

[cynicalheretic]

why do you all keep calling it po.com

po.com --> http://www.medscape.com/home

[dinopello]

Once you discover about Santa Claus, he stops bringing you presents. the wise kids keep their mouth shut and enjoy the loot.

Some might not be concerned with some of the other situations because regardless of what the 'truth' is on them, they may not imply a particular course of action- i.e. they're not going to do anything about it regardless.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', 'O')nce you have grasped energy, population, money and the environment, everything else is just detail. There are too many distractions in all this, proving too tempting for many to resist.

[Twilight]

I understand the politics. There is little to be gained discussing them. Much of what is associated with this subject is like mud-wrestling. I will leave it to others, disapprove from a distance, stay clean myself.

[NoLogos]

I *like* PO.com because many many peolpe here are not in denial!

For some reason, I keep trying to educate friends/family about 9/11 or peak oil. However, they'd prefer to keep watching TV. If I insist, and get someone to watch a video or actually read a little out of a book, sometimes they will admit they didn't know something (but only after much protesting). Then they invariably go back to watching the MSM that misled them so badly in the first place.

IMHO, there is something about a TV set that humans aren't equipped to deal with. Put what passes for news on it and 99% of the viewers are doomed to eternal ignorance.

[Tyler_JC]

Maybe because sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?

The entire world is not run by a half dozen people in a bunker like a scene out of "Dr. Strangelove".

By signing on to these insane conspiracy theories, you open up the floodgates to a whole host of other insane theory.

Eventually I end up reading stuff about how AIDS is a hoax and how vaccines are actually mind control devices!:lol:

I know some people in the government "elite". I know some people in the business "elite". How important does someone have to be in order to be a member of this "special elite" that controls the entire world?

Websites like this one encourage the mentally ill to engage in enough groupthink to eventually convince some of the more stable people that 9/11 was organized by Dick Cheney and that Bush takes orders from an underground oligarchy of reptiles.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'M')aybe because sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?

The entire world is not run by a half dozen people in a bunker like a scene out of "Dr. Strangelove"...

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'W')ebsites like this one encourage the mentally ill to engage in enough groupthink to eventually convince some of the more stable people that 9/11 was organized by Dick Cheney and that Bush takes orders from an underground oligarchy of reptiles.

[Twilight]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')he entire world is not run by a half dozen people in a bunker like a scene out of "Dr. Strangelove".

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', 'I') understand the politics. There is little to be gained discussing them. Much of what is associated with this subject is like mud-wrestling. I will leave it to others, disapprove from a distance, stay clean myself.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'M')aybe because sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?

The entire world is not run by a half dozen people in a bunker like a scene out of "Dr. Strangelove".

By signing on to these insane conspiracy theories, you open up the floodgates to a whole host of other insane theory.

Eventually I end up reading stuff about how AIDS is a hoax and how vaccines are actually mind control devices!:lol:

I know some people in the government "elite". I know some people in the business "elite". How important does someone have to be in order to be a member of this "special elite" that controls the entire world?

Websites like this one encourage the mentally ill to engage in enough groupthink to eventually convince some of the more stable people that 9/11 was organized by Dick Cheney and that Bush takes orders from an underground oligarchy of reptiles.