[oilfreeandhappy]

Here's a well done video that does a nice job of describing the Peak Oil concept and it's ramifications, along with the behind-the-scene politics.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... pr=goog-sl

[kokoda]

Just a bunch of conspiracy crap ... don't waste your download bandwidth.

[Armageddon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', 'J')ust a bunch of conspiracy crap ... don't waste your download bandwidth.

[kokoda]

Richard Heinberg even admitted that he couldn't prove any of it.

I couldn't believe all of the unsubstanciated nonsence they went on with.

Do you know the real reason the World Trade Centre fell down?

Wouldn't have had anything to do with those 250000 lb aircraft smashing into them would it?

Or that 10,000 gallons of aviation fuel burning out of control?

The aircraft would have done an enormous amount of damage to the steel frame of the building. Burning aviation fuel would have further weakened it. Gravity did the rest.

Do I believe that the main reason for war against Iraq was to get the oil?

Yes I do ... but it was a target of opportunity. Fighting a war against oil poor Afghanistan with the long term goal of eventually attacking Iraq is ridiculus. Why not just fabricate some reason for just attacking Iraq directly?

Richard Heinberg should have known better then to associate himself with this crap.

[Armageddon]

steel structures have never collapsed due to fire. The are not built to " pancake ". The steel columns could never in a million years pancake on top of each other, much less at free fall speed. There were huge explosions heard in the basements by many eyewitnesses , and pictures back this up.

[Laughs_Last]

I watched this 50 minute film, hoping to find something I could recommend to friends and family. It was a waste of time. There was just one graph, and then lots of fear mongering. Just as I was getting agitated an impatient waiting for hard numbers and proof of peak oil theory, it veered off into Sept.11/WTC conspiracy theory.


WTC conspiracy theorists need to go back to school and get some degrees in engineering. Take metallurgy 101, and a some courses in structural engineering before making such dumb claims. I can understand the average guy on the street simply isn’t going to have the professional knowledge to evaluate how those building fell. But going around falsely claiming expertise makes these “experts” look like buffoons.

[Armageddon]

I guess NORAD being stood down for the first time in history is a coinsidence also ?. The most protected airspace in history, and planes were allowed to fly all over america for 2-3 hrs without a single fighter jet scrambled. The pro golfer Payne Stewert's plane had fighter jets looking into his windows in the matter of minutes after it went off course, but highjacked jets can fly into the pentegon ? Bahhhhhh, get back into your pen as you are told little sheeple.

[kokoda]

It wasn't just the fire ... it was also due to the impact of the aircraft. Most of the supporting steel structure of the towers was on the outside of the building. A large commercial jetliner crashing into the side of the building at 500 mph would have done an enormous amount of damage to that structure.

The fires were caused by aviation fuel. Aviation fuel can theoretically reach temperatures of up to 980 degrees celcius in an inclosed space.

At around 600 degrees celcius steel has about 60% of its cold structural strength. At 700 degrees celcius that drops to around 20% of its cold strength ... do the math.

Building do pancake because ... well these ones obviously did.

The laws of gravity and conservation of momentum pretty much dictate that building will collapse in this manner.

[Laughs_Last]

What we really need is a scientific test. Build 10 more WTC towers, and slam one fuel laden jumbo jet into each. Observe the results.

[Armageddon]

wtc 7 collapsed also after no plane hit it, and very little debris landed on it. Larry Silverstein, the property owner admitted wtc7 had to be " pulled " ( demolition term for explosives bringing down a building ). How could they have pulled it when it burned for only a few hours ? Get real people, use some commen sence.

[kokoda]

To all you "conspiracy theorists" out there. Can you explain something to me.

How come no weapons of mass destruction were ever found in Iraq?

Any government capable of pulling off a stunt like destroying the World Trade Center, and then blaming it all on a bunch of terrorists, should have no problems in planting some evidence of biological or nuclear weapons research in Iraq.

Not finding any of these weapons made Bush look like an idiot ... which I am sure wouldn't have been part of the plan.

The thing is that they didn't even really play the terrorist card in Iraq's case. The "excuse" ... as weak as it was ... was purely to shut down Saddam's weapons programs.

The more I think about it the whole 911 conspiracy crap sounds lamer and lamer.

[Armageddon]

Here is what brought down the twin towers and wtc7.

http://www.bcrevolution.ca/thermite_evidence.htm

[oilfreeandhappy]

I read the 9/11 Commission Report from cover to cover. It evades many of the major issues. Why were the Pentagon videos confiscated? Why was the molten steel in the basements of the towers shipped out of the country so quickly? Why did Building 7 collapse? It wasn't hit by a jet. Why doesn't the 9/11 Commission report address these issues? Why did the Administration ignore warnings from many people, including FBI agents and Kenneth Starr, the Clinton prosecutor, on the days preceding 9/11? Why were an inordinate number of Airline stock PUT options purchased on the days preceding 9/11?

I have written numerous letters to Politicians, including the Whitehouse, regarding the shortcomings of the 9/11 Commission Report. Why don't any of them write back about this topic?

I don't know what the "absolute" truth is regarding 9/11, but I do know that the Commission Report is extremely lacking. Therefore, like many others, I can only assume the worst.

[Armageddon]

the US government needed a pearl harbor type event , and 911 was it. weapons of mass destruction and terrorism was just a deterrent, and the US people took it hook, line and sinker. BUT, the internet is allowing the real story to surface, and millions are now finding out the truth. What can we do about you might ask ? Not a damn thing.

[Armageddon]

Government sponsored terror attacks is nothing new. This is a great video. One of the best.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... rror+storm

[Armageddon]

a high rise steel structured building in madraid spain burned for almost 3 days, and there was only one thing left standing . THE STEEL STRUCTURE . Steel structures cannot collapse due to fire alone. Never in the history of mankind has one collpased untill 911, and 3 of them did, and one wasnt hit by a jet.

[Laughs_Last]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'a') high rise steel structured building in madraid spain burned for almost 3 days, and there was only one thing left standing . THE STEEL STRUCTURE .

[Armageddon]

wtc 1,2 and 7 were steel framed structures, with each steel column carried directly over the next one. Impossible to pancake. The floors would pancake ( maybe ) , but the outer steel columns would remain.

[Armageddon]

in this page

http://www.bcrevolution.ca/thermite_evidence.htm


you can see the sleel columns cut on a 45 degree angle. This is exactly how thermite is used. A 45 degree angle cut is done so the column " walks ", and this causes it to collapse. If it is cut straight accross , the structure would remain standing. Simple physics, and many demolition experts agree this is how they would have brought down the buildings. The explosions in the basement areas witnessed by many is proof.

[Laughs_Last]

That’s a ductile failure under compression. That would also have created a huge sound at the moment of failure, as the bonds between steel molecules broke along a slip plane