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Jail time for Journalists:government cracking down
by Miki » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 16:11:58
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e speak with two journalists whose fates have been closely monitored by First Amendment advocates. Freelance reporter Josh Wolf spent 30 days in jail for refusing to give authorities a video of a protest he filmed in San Francisco. Lance Williams of the San Francisco Chronicle could soon be jailed for refusing to disclose confidential sources to the government in the Barry Bonds steroid case. [includes rush transcript]
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Re: Jail time for Journalists:government cracking down repor
by Eli » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 17:54:59
More of your bs Thanks just what we all need. He was taking pictures of a protest in which a police officer and protester get into an altercation. Then this jerk won't hand over the tape.
What about Zahra Kazemi? What about her? She was raped and beaten and murdered for taking pictures. They just asked this jerk to hand over a tape. He needs come down off the cross we need the wood.
What about Zahra Kazemi? What about her? She was raped and beaten and murdered for taking pictures. They just asked this jerk to hand over a tape. He needs come down off the cross we need the wood.
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Re: Jail time for Journalists:government cracking down repor
by rwwff » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 18:46:34
Interesting to note, they just want the tape. I see no hint that they want to prevent him from disclosing the contents.
Obviously, they think there are images on the tape that will help them prosecute people who broke the law during the course of the event.
Interesting that Democracy Now didn't just broadcast the video, no?
Obviously, they think there are images on the tape that will help them prosecute people who broke the law during the course of the event.
Interesting that Democracy Now didn't just broadcast the video, no?
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Re: Jail time for Journalists:government cracking down repor
by NEOPO » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 20:11:26
pfft!!
again the western mind rationalizes and points fingers rather then pick up a mirror and view the truth.
I would say that what MIKI is trying to do is compound upon what we already know yet are unable or unwilling to do anything about.
What is happening with Greg palast et al is just another example.
Slippery slope indeed.
again the western mind rationalizes and points fingers rather then pick up a mirror and view the truth.
I would say that what MIKI is trying to do is compound upon what we already know yet are unable or unwilling to do anything about.
What is happening with Greg palast et al is just another example.
Slippery slope indeed.
It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
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Re: Jail time for Journalists:government cracking down repor
by Eli » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 22:32:02
Greg Palast is alive and well and now free of any charges.
Zahra Kazemi is molding in the grave.
Any way we all know that the San Francisco PD is just GWB's version of the brown shirts.
A police officer receives a fractured skull injury amongst other serious injuries from protesters.
And you guys are talking about how some jackass bloger is being cracked down on.
This is not a slippery slope.
This is a criminal investigation and this twit is withholding evidence.
Zahra Kazemi is molding in the grave.
Any way we all know that the San Francisco PD is just GWB's version of the brown shirts.
A police officer receives a fractured skull injury amongst other serious injuries from protesters.
And you guys are talking about how some jackass bloger is being cracked down on.
This is not a slippery slope.
This is a criminal investigation and this twit is withholding evidence.
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Re: Jail time for Journalists:government cracking down repor
by NEOPO » Sun 17 Sep 2006, 13:47:11
Perhaps he is protecting the protestors who showed the police who really has the power..........
awww with their rubber bullets, thier batons, riot shields and guns - I feel so sorry for them.
"pushing little children - with your fully auto matics - they like to push the weak around - push the weak around - push the weak around............."
I wonder if any mould is growing on the 100's of thousands of dead Iraq bodies?
awww with their rubber bullets, thier batons, riot shields and guns - I feel so sorry for them.
"pushing little children - with your fully auto matics - they like to push the weak around - push the weak around - push the weak around............."
I wonder if any mould is growing on the 100's of thousands of dead Iraq bodies?
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Re: Jail time for Journalists:government cracking down repor
by Miki » Mon 18 Sep 2006, 09:03:32
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'H')e was taking pictures of a protest in which a police officer and protester get into an altercation. Then this jerk won't hand over the tape.
Apparently the American law is not that straightforward about matters like this. If it was as obvious as you claim, the guy wou;ld have been jailed the same day that he was "visited" by the FBI.
Also, how about the other guy? What does the law say about confidential sources? Is this also a justified issue?
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Zahra Kazemi?
What about her?[/quote]
I'll tell you what about her: nothing. She has nothing to do with this incident or with the new trend of disregard for the civil rights of American citizens. In logic they have a name for the type of fallacy that you often employ. Here:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring_%28fallacy%29]Ignoratio Elenchi[/url] (also known as irrelevant conclusion) is the logical fallacy of presenting an argument that may in itself be valid, but which proves or supports a different proposition than the one it is purporting to prove or support. "Ignoratio elenchi" can be roughly translated by ignorance of the issue; "elenchi" is from the Greek έλεγχος, meaning an argument of disproof or refutation.
Rwwff said:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nteresting to note, they just want the tape. I see no hint that they want to prevent him from disclosing the contents.
A good point, but neither do we see any hint that they are not preventing him. Keep in mind that the process is not over yet. If the FBI wins the case and takes the tape away from the guy, then we will learn if the contents of the tape will be disclosed or not.
Also, given all the trouble that this tape is giving the journalist, one would think he would have broadcasted it by now if he was allowed to, right? At least that way he'd get something out of all this mess. The fact that he hasn't suggests that he's prevented from doing so, either by coercion or by law.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')bviously, they think there are images on the tape that will help them prosecute people who broke the law during the course of the event.
Agreed, but that's not the controversial issue. The issue is whether they have the right to jail a journalist for refusing to disclose confidential sources or material.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nteresting that Democracy Now didn't just broadcast the video, no?
And why are you so sure that they can broadcast the video?
They may not be allowed to see it and/or broadcast it. Keep in mind the trial is not over.