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Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby Jack » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 22:44:56

Posted for your viewing pleasure.

Please note that the grey areas are the parts damaged. Note also the size of the green racetrack.

The web image requires that you have the Adobe PDF reader installed. Likewise, the link will bring up a PDF document.

[web]http://download.premiereradio.net/guest/rushlimb/pdf/Beirut.pdf[/web]

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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby azreal60 » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 23:45:55

Um, does rushlimb stand for Rush Limbaugh?.

As in, is that the source of this map?
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 23:49:41

I prefer actual photos, as maps tend to distort the impact and dull the reality of the situation.

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This would probably be the very definition of indiscriminate bombing.
Tactical ops it ain't.
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby Jack » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 23:51:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('azreal60', 'U')m, does rushlimb stand for Rush Limbaugh?.

As in, is that the source of this map?


I grabbed it from another board, though I frankly don't recall which. If in fact it does originate from Mr. Limbaugh, one might be inclined to question its validity.

On the other hand, I'm unaware of anything that counters the map. And the media do love their shocking images.
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby Jack » Wed 26 Jul 2006, 23:57:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'I') prefer actual photos, as maps tend to distort the impact and dull the reality of the situation.

This would probably be the very definition of indiscriminate bombing.
Tactical ops it ain't.


Nice image! 8)

But although it does tell a story - quite an interesting story - it does not put matters into context. Once, some years ago, the city I live in had an abnormal amount of rain. The media beamed images around the nation showing terrible flooding.

Truth be told, the only people flooded out were a few in low areas - the same ones that always get flooded. The rest of us were enjoying the show and assuring worried friends that we didn't need their spare bedroom.

Context, my good Sir, context. I fear that the passions of the moment my deprive us of that essential element - to our great detriment.[list]
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby markam » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 00:09:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')m, does rushlimb stand for Rush Limbaugh?.


I would sooner believe something that Bush said before I would believe any of the bile spewing out of the sewer called Rush Limbaugh.

And I would believe in fairies and little green men from mars before I would believe anything Bush says.
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 00:21:29

Ahem, it wasn't "fighting" it was bombing.
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby Jack » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 00:27:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'A')hem, it wasn't "fighting" it was bombing.


Hmm? Does it count if the bombs were dropped by a fighter? 8)
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby azreal60 » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 00:29:20

I just assumed the image had something to do with Rush based on the link text, because there was no attributing documentation along with it. I gotta tell you, the reason I looked is because I could have made that map with a little photoshop and an exisiting map of beruit. I wanted to know how they knew that was the extent of the damage.

I personally am curious if miki wanted to show us where on that map approximately she lived, and if the map was at all accurate. Might give us some perspective and see how accurate it is. Who knows, it might be. But even if it is, you know what it reminds me of? The pictures of NewYork following 9/11. Was only a small area of the city. Sure killed alot of innocent people though.
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 00:31:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'C')ontext, my good Sir, context. I fear that the passions of the moment my deprive us of that essential element - to our great detriment.[list]


True, I had a hard time finding any photos of widespread damage (most showing great detail at a small scale), much less an overview. It would be nice if we found such an image from a neutral source, though...

If Limbaugh is privy to Lebanese damage assessments, methinks he might be a Hizbollah plant, no? Perfect cover!

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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 00:45:33

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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby Jack » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 00:45:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('azreal60', '
')I personally am curious if miki wanted to show us where on that map approximately she lived, and if the map was at all accurate. Might give us some perspective and see how accurate it is. Who knows, it might be. But even if it is, you know what it reminds me of? The pictures of NewYork following 9/11. Was only a small area of the city. Sure killed alot of innocent people though.


All good points. Miki could even go to Google's satellite facility to get a clean map of the area if she were so inclined.
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby Jack » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 00:51:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '
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If Limbaugh is privy to Lebanese damage assessments, methinks he might be a Hizbollah plant, no? Perfect cover!

:razz:


Hmm....it is possible. He flies around in his private jet, but who knows where he REALLY goes? I wonder if we should record his show and play it backwards?

And the whole viagra issue. Is he being plied by comely female enemy agents? Bond would be jealous!

Now I've threadjacked my own thread. Oh, the horror.
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby Jack » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 00:53:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '[')url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5207478.stm]UN appalled by Beirut devastation[/url]

Middle East crisis: Key maps

BBC Holiday Destinations Beirut


Rogerhb, those are all very fine links - but I don't see any overall maps that put the damage into context. Perhaps if you come across something you could post it?
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 01:00:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'R')ogerhb, those are all very fine links - but I don't see any overall maps that put the damage into context. Perhaps if you come across something you could post it?


Alas, the word picture from the UN rep was the best.
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby azreal60 » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 02:04:41

I thought google made it a policy to only update those maps after wars. At least, that's what I thought.
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby Miki » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 05:46:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ogerhb, those are all very fine links - but I don't see any overall maps that put the damage into context. Perhaps if you come across something you could post it?
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Let me get this right Jack. Following your reasoning, what happened in 9/11 was nothing. Had we drawn the degree of damage on a US map, two towers in NY would have been too minuscle to even show in the map.

Faulty reasoning, don't you think?
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby Miki » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 05:51:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd the media do love their shocking images.


Only when it's in the US interest to show the shocking images. Have you seen any images of the actual devastation in Beirut on any mainstream American media?

Only 3 days ago (after 2 weeks of horror), did CNN started showing some images of the suffering in Lebanon, but still nothing compared to what is really going on here.
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby Miki » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 06:05:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ontext, my good Sir, context. I fear that the passions of the moment my deprive us of that essential element - to our great detriment.[list]


How about these FACTS for context?

Just to give you an idea,

1-Over 30% of the Lebanese population has been converted into refugees in only two weeks.

2-The economy of the country has collapsed. It will take years to recover, if not decades.

3-The infrastructure destroyed *so far* has taken the country 30 years back in time, and we'll need 3 000 million dollars to reconstruct all the damaged areas.

4-On a per capita basis (this country has around 4 million people), the death toll has been the equivalent of a 9/11 *per day*. for the last two weeks, and counting.
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Re: Map of Beirut, showing areas damaged in fighting.

Unread postby Miki » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 06:21:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')True, I had a hard time finding any photos of widespread damage (most showing great detail at a small scale), much less an overview. It would be nice if we found such an image from a neutral source, though...


Honestly, I don't see the point of finding such a map. I don't see what Jack's point is either.

The areas of destruction are mostly concentrated in the South of Lebanon and Beirut. Does that render the damage negligible? Of course not. Suffice it to say that 1/3 of the Lebanese population have lost their home.

Also, if you look at a map of the South of Lebanon or of Beirut, you can see the widespread damage within those areas. If tomorrow Canada invaded the US and bombarded half of NYC, would you find it acceptable or negligible damage just because it is half of one city? I don't think so.

And if so, why did Americans make a big fuss when 9/11 happened? The damage was minimal, wasn't it?
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