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oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby heroineworshipper » Mon 05 May 2008, 15:17:10

Behind the wall to wall headlines about Hillary, Ubama, in a small, buried AP story appeared "Oil passes $120"

The process is complete. No-one cares anymore. People don't feel like $120 is any more valuable than $30 last year.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080505/oil_prices.html
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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby peak » Mon 05 May 2008, 15:24:31

I'm hearing about Clinton's and Obama's plans on oil prices on FOX
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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby dukey » Mon 05 May 2008, 16:07:24

wouldn't want to scare the mindless masses would we ?

But in all seriousness, the media have mostly abandoned reporting on actual news, and instead focus on trivial shit to keep the masses amused. Or the fake Obama vs Hillary garabage. When both candidates basically support the same things that matter.

Both voted for the patioct act. Obama voted to FUND the war. One of Obama's top advisors is Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski. I mean lol how much more obvious does it have to get ?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')fter 9/11 Brzezinski was criticized for his role in the formation of the Afghan mujaheddin network, some of which would later form the Taliban and would shelter Al Qaeda camps. He asserted that blame rightfully ought to be laid at the feet of the Soviet Union, whose invasion he claimed radicalized the relatively stable Muslim society.


LOL. The 2 democratic candidates are actually like a choice of Bush or Cheney for president, either way you lose. Same with this election, who ever steals the election, it matters not the people have ALREADY lost.

As for McCain Mr Bomb Iran .. lols .. hes like running a dead horse in the race.
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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby Jack » Mon 05 May 2008, 16:20:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'B')oth voted for the patioct act. Obama voted to FUND the war. One of Obama's top advisors is Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski. I mean lol how much more obvious does it have to get ?


Comrade Dukey, your above statement double plus ungood near thoughtcrime. Our glorious nation marches toward final victory in united reaffirmation of our democratic principles. Each candidate represents a fresh and original approach to building new successes on the foundation of uncountable past achievements. The people will join together to choose the best leader, who will embody the collective will of the nation and will exemplify truth and goodness to all good thinkers, while destroying utterly all traitors and thought criminals.

The present oil prices are not news. Oil is cheap. It has always been cheap. Under the Party's wise leadership, it will remain cheap.

Now go enjoy your chocolate ration. It has just been increased to 25 grams from 30 grams.

8)

(The above bit of whimsy written in jest. Any similarity to actual news releases is purely coincidental).
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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 05 May 2008, 16:33:57

This quote makes my head hurt:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's impossible to tell whether gas prices will fall this summer, as they have in the past, Green said. However, he noted that demand for gasoline has fallen since early this year, a sign that high prices are cutting Americans' appetite for fuel. Analysts believe falling demand is preventing refiners from raising gas prices fast enough to keep up with oil prices, which they much buy to turn into fuel. While oil prices have risen nearly 94 percent in one year, gas prices are up only 19 percent.


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What is the approximate lag time before $120 oil rears its head in the refining department? I know that refining margins have been fairly thin, but they are bound to start losing money with their feedstock cost doubled and their retail prices only up 20%.

What gives?
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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby Cashmere » Mon 05 May 2008, 17:13:16

Jack - really awesome. Dead on. Very very scary stuff.
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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby Schadenfreude » Mon 05 May 2008, 17:21:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('heroineworshipper', 'B')ehind the wall to wall headlines about Hillary, Ubama, in a small, buried AP story appeared "Oil passes $120"

The process is complete. No-one cares anymore. People don't feel like $120 is any more valuable than $30 last year.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080505/oil_prices.html


They only talk about the per barrel figure in any detail on business shows. They talk about the pump price and general hardship on the regular news shows.
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Unread postby Ferretlover » Mon 05 May 2008, 17:27:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'w')ouldn't want to scare the mindless masses would we ?


Yes, I think a good [s]scare[/s] panic is just what people in general need. Stupid, stupid people!
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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby joeltrout » Mon 05 May 2008, 17:31:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('heroineworshipper', ' ') People don't feel like $120 is any more valuable than $30 last year.



$30 last year??? Seems like a pretty big discount compared to last year's actual prices.

I know you are exaggerating a lot but many people don't.

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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby kokoda » Mon 05 May 2008, 17:51:31

The the last time that oil prices spiked like this were in the seventies during the Arab oil embargo.

That devastated the world's economy. However things returned to normal when oil prices dropped.

Ask yourself what will happen if oil prices don't drop back.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 1_2006.jpg
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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby fletch_961 » Mon 05 May 2008, 18:42:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat is the approximate lag time before $120 oil rears its head in the refining department? I know that refining margins have been fairly thin, but they are bound to start losing money with their feedstock cost doubled and their retail prices only up 20%.

What gives?


I wouldn't worry about the the refineries losing money. The lag is part of the reason for the difference, so ar the thinner margins.

But keep in mind refineries sell at wholesale, not retail. Once you strip out out taxes and other down stream addition I'm guessing you'll find whole sale prices are up closer to 35%.

And the 94% increase in feedstock cost - well feedstock is only one of their costs. Labor, depreciation, capital costs and such will only have increased marginally. When you put all their costs together you are probably looking at a 50% increase in total costs

So their costs are up 50% their selling price up 35% - and the recent cost increases not all factor in - gives you tighter margins. They find ways to make sure they don't go in the red. If it means a few shut down for some long over due maintence or what ever to improve the supply/demand picture in their favor......- they'll be fine.
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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 05 May 2008, 18:53:51

Thanks for that reasonable response, fletch - it makes much more sense than that article. 8)
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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 05 May 2008, 19:16:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', 'T')he the last time that oil prices spiked like this were in the seventies during the Arab oil embargo.

That devastated the world's economy. However things returned to normal when oil prices dropped.

Ask yourself what will happen if oil prices don't drop back.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 1_2006.jpg

The the last time that oil prices spiked like this were in the seventies during the Arab oil embargo.

That devastated the world's economy. However things returned to normal when oil prices dropped.

Ask yourself what will happen [s]if[/s] when oil prices [s]don't drop back[/s] contine to climb.
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Unread postby americandream » Mon 05 May 2008, 20:06:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', 'T')he the last time that oil prices spiked like this were in the seventies during the Arab oil embargo.

That devastated the world's economy. However things returned to normal when oil prices dropped.

Ask yourself what will happen if oil prices don't drop back.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 1_2006.jpg

The the last time that oil prices spiked like this were in the seventies during the Arab oil embargo.

That devastated the world's economy. However things returned to normal when oil prices dropped.

Ask yourself what will happen [s]if[/s] when oil prices [s]don't drop back[/s] contine to climb.


Nothing spectacular I suspect. I reckon the current crop of the unwashed masses will take to Dickensian squalor with nary a whimper.
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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby bonehead » Mon 05 May 2008, 20:16:05

Rex Tillerson for President!
Gimme some demand destruction.
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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 05 May 2008, 20:32:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n most years, gas prices peak in May or early June, then mostly decline for the rest of the year. But oil at $120 -- and rising -- may force the experts to rewrite their rulebook.


experts? rulebook? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby TheDude » Mon 05 May 2008, 21:03:31

Oil prices are high. Oil prices have always been high.

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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby alokin » Mon 05 May 2008, 21:44:54

The interesting thing of this price move is that crude fell to $112 and something last week and spiked to $120 in just one week. The price is much more volatile than some month ago. When I begun to look at the oil price maybe 6 month ago, it needed much more time to get back to the old level.
The nerves of our economic players are tightened.
Maybe the Iran decision is more serious than it seems, and it was not very much reported in the media either.
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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby Atlantean_Relic » Mon 05 May 2008, 23:10:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', 'T')he the last time that oil prices spiked like this were in the seventies during the Arab oil embargo.

That devastated the world's economy. However things returned to normal when oil prices dropped.

Ask yourself what will happen if oil prices don't drop back.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 1_2006.jpg

The the last time that oil prices spiked like this were in the seventies during the Arab oil embargo.

That devastated the world's economy. However things returned to normal when oil prices dropped.

Ask yourself what will happen [s]if[/s] when oil prices [s]don't drop back[/s] contine to climb.


As someone who missed out on the seventies how long were the prices this high before thing started getting messy?
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Re: oil crosses $120, doesn't make the news

Unread postby hironegro » Tue 06 May 2008, 01:00:25

Hope those baby boomers are happy!
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