[Rishabh87]

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/ar ... /24oil.htm

Basically talks about tar sands, oil shale, and coal liquefication

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rishabh87', 'B')asically talks about tar sands, oil shale, and coal liquefication

[Rishabh87]

This quote right here kind of damns oil shale (well sort of because I don't know what kind of credentials Udell has):

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')andy Udall, director of the nonprofit Community Office for Resource Efficiency in Aspen, Colo., calls Shell's experiment "fascinating," but he adds, "I've been wondering whether it is an act of inspiration or an act of desperation." The new attention to oil shale underscores how poor other global exploration possibilities are, Udall says. "Thermodynamically, there is an insanity to what they're proposing," he says. "Now, it still may [make economic sense] if oil prices are high enough."

[mrobert]

We could print money and extract crude from tar sands an no matter what cost.
It should work, just like any political idiocracy invented in the past 20 years.

[Clouseau2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrobert', 'W')e could print money and extract crude from tar sands an no matter what cost.
It should work, just like any political idiocracy invented in the past 20 years.

[Free]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Clouseau2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrobert', 'W')e could print money and extract crude from tar sands an no matter what cost.
It should work, just like any political idiocracy invented in the past 20 years.

[Novus]

I think this may be the most realistic articals to hit mainstream print. The last two paragraphs tell the reader this isn't just an oil crisis. It is deep change that is going to affect everyone.

[clover]

I bought this issue in the airport this morning. The article was excellent.

My sense of irony was also tickled by the "Live green go yellow" ad on the inside front cover, Chevron's new natural gas ad on the inside back, and a Suburban ad on the back cover.

[mrobert]

There is way to much politics in the energy business.

Let me put up a real scenario.
My country (Romania) has enough oil for itself for 13 years and gas for 14 years (this is taken from an official press release).

Yet gas here is way over $4 a gallon. (I actually pay Euro 0.9 / litre).
Why?
Because one day they announced that we should pay, based on world crud oil prices.
Why? Do you we buy from there? At that price? No.

What did our politicians do?
Sold that OIL for a nice half a billion dollars, payable in installments over a few years.
That and a massive infrastructure of chemical plants, refineries, etc.

They killed our economy and continue to do so, even though we have no energy problem (yet).

My stupid ideea : Why didn't they used the 13 years of cheap energy, to develop the transition to alternatives?
Because stupid people voted stupid politicians.

We already live in PeakOil here. You should see the desperate measures the politicians make here, to squeze out every bit of money from those that have it, to support 80% of the country's population that are lazy idiots.

I read the daily news.
In one year, we went from 200 different taxes to over 300.
For every tax they invent, thay always add the phrase : If someone has money to smoke, drive a car, heat his house, etc ... they should pay taxes.

All fingers are pointed at those that have money.
Don't understand rich persons here, but people like me. Who work 16 hours a day, get a good wage, drive a fuel efficient car, and live in an energy efficient house.

My peak electricity usage is 100KW in the winter, and drops to half during the summer.
I haven't quit on any common electronics, just switched to efficient ones.

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To conclude, and explain everyone why I made the stupid statement above about printing money to extract oil, this is it.
Politicians always have the right solution for the problem, and the solution is always on paper or made from paper.

You shouldn't be concerned about your neighbour, or God know what else.
As long as there are millions of "idiots" like us on these forums, who live and act responsably (this is why I used the term idiot), they will always come and take from us, to give to the others (others which I simply call, The Voters).

By nature, a man can sustain almost 10 other men, with his work.
So as long as the ratio is 10:1, we will be the solution to "Peak Oil"
Because we won't stop, we won't give up, and we will continue to seek solutions to conserve and efficiently use resources.
We will wake up and go to our jobs, we will do a damn good job.
And on payday, they will take 80% of what we make and give it to the others.

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Do some math. Ask your employer, how much money does the company spend on your wage (including taxes).
Let's call this X.

Now, deduct from X, all taxes and anything else you pay, and call the result Y.
Y is the amount you take home into your pocket and spend.

From the Y amount, cut off all taxes that are present in the products and services you buy to have their 'actual' price.

What is left is called Z.

Now compare X, to Z and see how much money you 'make', and how money you get to 'spend'.
Take a deep breath ... I know it's a shock.

I did the math and it was something like : I earn $1000 and get to 'spend' 30% ... and that amount decreases yearly, to met the financial demand to sustain every lazy fuck on this planet.

The problem won't be peak oil, but peak taxes.
What happens as Z, closes to zero?

[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrobert', 'W')e could print money and extract crude from tar sands an no matter what cost. It should work, just like any political idiocracy invented in the past 20 years.

[lexicon]

Check it out:

What's happening in Canada today may be just the start of a new chapter in the world's long love affair with oil. Global demand, particularly in China and India, is outstripping supply--an imbalance that has been painfully evident as pump prices climb toward $3 a gallon (box, Page 50). Even the optimists agree that the era of "easy oil" is over. Political risk hovers over most conventional reserves, held by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (including trouble spots like Nigeria and Venezuela) and Russia. So the United States is turning to new possibilities--the largely untapped resource of "unconventional oil" in North America.



Of course, I can't find any mention of ERoEI anywhere in the article, so that diminished my optimism for an honest analysis from US News.

[Novus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lexicon', '
')Of course, I can't find any mention of ERoEI anywhere in the article, so that diminished my optimism for an honest analysis from US News.

[lexicon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lexicon', '
')Of course, I can't find any mention of ERoEI anywhere in the article, so that diminished my optimism for an honest analysis from US News.