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US Citizenship for sale... $5,000

Unread postby Aaron » Fri 18 May 2007, 19:22:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') factory worker, Ricardo Cristobal, said that he thought the $5,000 fine was too high and that he was participating in his third march "so the government can hear us and legalize us."


http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financia ... 6PVOO0.htm

Ricardo seems to think that's kinda steep.

What is a fair price for leaving an impoverished life in Mexico, to live in relative prosperity in the US?

Should America be selling citizenship?

Can I sell mine on eBay?
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Re: US Citizenship for sale... $5,000

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 18 May 2007, 19:47:51

ROFL.

Is 5,000 bucks too high? The price may go lower.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

Senate democrats say the bill is too harsh on illegal aliens ... they expect the final bill to be more liberal.
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Unread postby kochevnik » Fri 18 May 2007, 22:25:42

What's really interesting is to combine this development with the fact that Cantarell - which the Mex govt depends on for most of it's revenue - is in major decline. I would say Mexico - as bad as it is now - will be a complete hellhole within 5 years.

Sometime around 2020 the whole PO situation will go ballistic - as in WAR - with a capital W.

I think the Mexican situation is going to be one of the precursors. I don't see a hundred million Mexicans accepting die-off while the Yankees sit in (relative) comfort just across border.

Taking Cantarell into consideration - this bill is mostly irrelevant - like almost everything else we talk about here - it doesn't matter what is done, because it's much to late to change our destiny - as a nation OR as a people.
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Re: US Citizenship for sale... $5,000

Unread postby jupiters_release » Fri 18 May 2007, 22:59:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', '
')Sometime around 2020 the whole PO situation will go ballistic - as in WAR - with a capital W.


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Re: US Citizenship for sale... $5,000

Unread postby pea-jay » Sat 19 May 2007, 05:59:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', '
')I think the Mexican situation is going to be one of the precursors. I don't see a hundred million Mexicans accepting die-off while the Yankees sit in (relative) comfort just across border.


Yankees aren't going to "sit in comfort" of any type. At the time things get dire in Mexico (remember they still have a few more years before they even become oil importers) they will already be declining economically here. There will be more unemployed. Housing will have finally collapsed. We will all be poorer. Some of us may cut our own grass. Vegetable producers will harvest fewer veggies because transportation will be less dependable and fewer people can afford them. More unemployed Americans will figure out they will do the jobs big biz thought they wouldnt do, if there still are openings.

The political climate will become more hostile too. Migration functions when there is a demand (which will decrease) and a tacit agreement that it is okay (which will change). At some point Mexicans will simply be stuck in Mexico. And if they are situated outside of its major cities, they will find it somewhat survivable and not too bad. Many smaller towns and rural areas have lower populations than they did a few decades or even centuries ago.

Wouldnt want to be anywhere near Mexico city though...
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Re: US Citizenship for sale... $5,000

Unread postby Newsseeker » Sat 19 May 2007, 09:49:08

If you make the prices for citizenship expensive you reduce the field to the H1B Visa types but if you put it too low then you invite the whole world.
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Re: US Citizenship for sale... $5,000

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 19 May 2007, 09:56:32

or move to Iraq and allow our troops to "accidentally" slaughter your spouse or other loved one and receive $2500!!!

What Iraqis receive for their losses

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')owever, it is more common for payments to be made under a category called "sympathy pay." Under this, victims of "combat-related" incidents in which the soldiers were deemed fully justified in acting can receive a maximum "sympathy pay" of $2,500. Monies come from a commander's discretionary funds, supplied by seized Iraqi assets.

"There's nothing out there that legally forces us to pay them," says US Capt. Jonathan Tracy, a lawyer who handles claims. "It's gratuitous. The point behind the policy is to build friendly relations."


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Unread postby TommyJefferson » Sat 19 May 2007, 11:56:16

The media sell on this latest amnesty is a thing of beauty.

Their ability to ignore the effects of the 1986 amnesty and dance around this latest blatant screw-job with such silliness as "the $5,000 fine" is truly awe inspiring.

I am impressed.
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Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 19 May 2007, 12:03:15

"this new deal dropped his insistence on illegal aliens paying back taxes."



The details are coming out....Here's another screw job for US citizens. The illegal aliens would get amnesty from all obligations to pay "back taxes".

That means the illegal aliens don't have to pay any income taxes or social security taxes.

What kind of crap is that?
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Unread postby some_guy282 » Sat 19 May 2007, 12:45:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', '
')I think the Mexican situation is going to be one of the precursors. I don't see a hundred million Mexicans accepting die-off while the Yankees sit in (relative) comfort just across border.


At the time things get dire in Mexico (remember they still have a few more years before they even become oil importers) they will already be declining economically here.



"A few years" could very well be as little as three, according to Matt Simon's analysis of the Cantarell decline in regards to all of Mexico's production. That's not far off at all. I've also been mentioning the Mexico situation whenever immigration or the near term US outlook comes up. And although Mexico may not have to import oil in large quantities even after they're no longer able to export, the Mexican government will still be losing 60% of its current revenue that it is getting from oil exports right now. Overall I have to agree with kochevnik - in five years Mexico is going to be a total hell hole.

Yeah, things wont be looking too pretty here in the US either, but relatively speaking things in the US will be better than in Mexico. And even if things aren't better in the US for potential illegals to come over, that wont necessarily stop them from coming. The US has this reputation as the land of milk and honey in Mexico, and has for decades. When that is no longer true, it could be quite some time before that reality is accurately perceived by the average Mexican in Mexico who is considering heading el norte. In the ensueing lag time I expect a wave of illegals the likes of which we've never seen. Racial violence the likes of which the US hasn't seen in decades will probably be part of the equation that gives Mexicans the message that they're no longer welcome.
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Re: US Citizenship for sale... $5,000

Unread postby Aaron » Sat 19 May 2007, 15:11:46

With the sky-rocketing price of corn, the death of Cantrell, & US citizenship for sale, it may be time to embrace reality & welcome our new impoverished Mexican Overlords.

In a couple of short generations, our new Mexican Citizens will simply vote out the folks who built the US, & assume control over the government.
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Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 19 May 2007, 16:10:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'i')t may be time to embrace reality & welcome our new impoverished Mexican Overlords.


Our politicians are already doing that for us.
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Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 19 May 2007, 16:11:52

"We need to find a system that values and honors the work of all," said Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez (Ill.), who is one of the Democrats entrusted by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) with developing a House bill. "The landscaper is just as important as the computer scientist."


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Unread postby Wednesday » Sat 19 May 2007, 16:13:46

Can we set up a swap meet? I'll trade my US passport for a Canadian passport.

Limited time offer before I get one legally, better hurry.
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Unread postby Daculling » Sat 19 May 2007, 18:53:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '"')We need to find a system that values and honors the work of all," said Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez (Ill.), who is one of the Democrats entrusted by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) with developing a House bill. "The landscaper is just as important as the computer scientist."


Communism... not that there is anything wrong with that right? Just saying...

I'm sure the people on top will always be way more important thought..
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Unread postby Baldwin » Sat 19 May 2007, 19:29:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '"')We need to find a system that values and honors the work of all," said Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez (Ill.), who is one of the Democrats entrusted by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) with developing a House bill. "The landscaper is just as important as the computer scientist."


Agreed. Both are equally useless.
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Re: US Citizenship for sale... $5,000

Unread postby KhanCEO » Sat 19 May 2007, 22:33:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') factory worker, Ricardo Cristobal, said that he thought the $5,000 fine was too high and that he was participating in his third march "so the government can hear us and legalize us."


http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financia ... 6PVOO0.htm

Ricardo seems to think that's kinda steep.

What is a fair price for leaving an impoverished life in Mexico, to live in relative prosperity in the US?

Should America be selling citizenship?

Can I sell mine on eBay?


I hate these people so much. I have to wait two years before I can become a Canada Citizen. Plus, I need to prove to the Canadian Government that I will make a great citizen (plus wait 24 months). I can't walk across the Canadian boarder and say "I'm here bitches, you better put up with me".

Mexican scum walk into our country, take our jobs, then protest about how they are not citizens. They use government resouces while not paying taxes, bleeding the American tax payer dry. They carry diseases and raise crime rates. Most Mexicans don't even speak our language! We should be sending them back to a Mexican prison. The life boat of the United States of America is full and overloaded! We lost many of our jobs to China, now these Mexican scum want all our service jobs!

The world is overpopulated, if these retard Mexicans can't figure out that having too many children means you can't feed them all, then they desire to die. Let them die in Mexico because they can't feed their families. They made their mess, let them deal with it.

A monkey can figure out that if there is no food for himself or very little, perhaps having offsprings isn't the best idea. The Mexicans havn't figure that out yet.

Immigrants are worse than the pro-lifer that has 6 kids and says "I value and respect life, that is why I have 6 kids".The pro-lifer just made life less valuable and respectable by adding more consumers to this planet of finite resources.

Illegal immigrants continue to breed like a pack of monkeys then demand citizenship because they were able to walk across a boarder. The arrogance!

The Mexicans know nothing about America, similar to many Americans. Most Americans don't care if their constitutional rights are violated, but these Mexicans don't have a clue about constitutional rights. If these dirtbag Mexicans get citizenship with the ability to vote the results will be devastating. They will want all the guns taken away with more handouts, more taxes, more 3rd world policy.
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Re: US Citizenship for sale... $5,000

Unread postby kochevnik » Sat 19 May 2007, 23:49:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', '
')Sometime around 2020 the whole PO situation will go ballistic - as in WAR - with a capital W.


A cornucopian who thinks he's a doomer. :lol:



You guys need to read Thomas Chittums's Civil War II and Strauss & Howes 'The Fourth Turning'.

That last book is the one that predicted 911 (terrorists flying airplanes into large buildings) in 1997. The first one you can download here :

http://www.timebomb2000.com/misc/CWII.pdf

You read these two books and you have good look at the future. I'd say 50-50 internal civil war or resource war with China by 2020 - personally I feel 2017 is the magic year, but what the hell do I know.

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Re: US Citizenship for sale... $5,000

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 20 May 2007, 05:38:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wednesday', 'C')an we set up a swap meet? I'll trade my US passport for a Canadian passport.

Limited time offer before I get one legally, better hurry.


thats a crappy deal really. There are hundreds of thousands canadians working illegally in USA, I am sure there is a reason why. There are visa-free entry for Mexicans to Canada, I am sure there is a reason for that too.
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Re: US Citizenship for sale... $5,000

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 20 May 2007, 05:49:20

by the way, it cost $6-7000 to come to US illegally from El Salvador or Honduras (2006). Many people get abandoned by coyotes in Guatemala and Mexico.
About 3500-4000 dollars out of this sum ending up in mexican police pockets.
If someone doesnt know yet, salvadoreans and guatemalans get SS numbers and temporal work permits on arrival. This temporal thing lasts for 5-6 years by now.
While I cam here legally as an official immigrant , it took me 10 months to get my work permit, during which I couldnt work ( and, believe it or not, didnt). It was ready in 6 months and it took 4 months and a hundred or two phonecalls for them to actually mail it to me .
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