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Re: The US Budget Pie Versus Proposed Cuts

Postby vision-master » Mon 11 Apr 2011, 11:38:50

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Re: The US Budget Pie Versus Proposed Cuts

Postby AgentR11 » Mon 11 Apr 2011, 12:37:28

VM.. you're posting stuff that I think most people know. Is there a point, are are you just posting random stuff for entertainment value?
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Re: The US Budget Pie Versus Proposed Cuts

Postby dinopello » Mon 11 Apr 2011, 13:00:22

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Re: The US Budget Pie Versus Proposed Cuts

Postby Adelaidewonderer » Wed 13 Apr 2011, 00:03:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he U.S. government recorded a budget shortfall of $188 billion in March, the Treasury Department said Tuesday in a report likely to add new fuel to the raging political debate about government debt and spending.


So the 110 million taxpayers in the US were basically subsidised last month to the tune of $1709 each. So if it keeps going at this rate, each taxpayer will need to pay an extra $20508 in taxes next year, just to balance the budget. At some point in time, does some rational US person come out of the woodwork and say its all over.

Oh i forgot to add the personal debt, medicare, social security and all the other unallocated debt to these numbers.
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March Federal Budget Deficit: $188.2 billion

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 13 Apr 2011, 08:44:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ARCH DEFICIT: The federal government recorded a $188.2 billion deficit in March, bringing the red ink to $829.4 billion for the first six months of the budget year.

RECORD PACE: The deficit is on track to set a new record, with economists at the Congressional Budget Office forecasting an imbalance of $1.5 trillion this year, exceeding the old record of $1.41 trillion in 2009.

SPENDING CUTS: Analysts say the $38 billion in spending cuts that negotiators agreed to last week to avert a government shutdown won't prevent the deficit from climbing to a record this year because most of those cuts will either not take effect until future years or amount to accounting gimmicks that won't reduce actual spending.
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financia ... ICQ2O0.htm


Good God, that's almost $200 billion in the hole for just one month -- so that would be a trillion dollars added to the debt ever five months. With no end in sight. As for the recent $38 billion cuts.. I love how the AP just comes right and says they won't take place for "years" and / or they're "accounting gimmicks." In any event, a cut of $38 or even a $100 billion is nothing if we're running $200 billion per month deficits.

In other news, inflation is at 10% annually:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nflation Actually Near 10% Using Older Measure

Inflation, using the reporting methodologies in place before 1980, hit an annual rate of 9.6 percent in February, according to the Shadow Government Statistics newsletter.

Since 1980, the Bureau of Labor Statistics has changed the way it calculates the CPI in order to account for the substitution of products, improvements in quality (i.e. iPad 2 costing the same as original iPad) and other things.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42551209


Gee, that's clever cutting that official number in half by factoring in how nice the new iPads are.
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Re: March Federal Budget Deficit: $188.2 billion

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 13 Apr 2011, 11:00:52

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Good God, that's almost $200 billion in the hole for just one month -- so that would be a trillion dollars added to the debt every five months. With no end in sight.


Its hard to imagine that just three years ago Obama was promising in his campaign to cut the deficit and voting in the Senate against raising the debt ceiling. Of course he wouldn't have gotten elected if he'd admitted he was actually going to explode the deficit and bankrupt the country.

Obama is going to give a big speech today promising to cut the deficit, but why should anyone believe him since he made the same lying promises three years ago?

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Re: March Federal Budget Deficit: $188.2 billion

Postby Adelaidewonderer » Wed 13 Apr 2011, 11:24:28

Well i guess it costs alot to import paper to print dollar bills on.
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Re: March Federal Budget Deficit: $188.2 billion

Postby Sixstrings » Thu 14 Apr 2011, 00:49:55

Turns out the $38 billion cut is a big lie. They didn't cut anything.. the cut was all accounting gimmicks, or offset by INCREASES in Defense:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')BO Says Budget Deal Will Cut Spending by Only $352 Million

A Congressional Budget Office analysis of the fiscal 2011 spending deal that Congress will vote on Thursday concludes that it would cut spending this year by less than one-one hundredth of what both Republicans or Democrats have claimed.

A comparison prepared by the CBO shows that the omnibus spending bill, advertised as containing some $38.5 billion in cuts, will only reduce federal outlays by $352 million below 2010 spending rates. The nonpartisan budget agency also projects that total outlays are actually some $3.3 billion more than in 2010, if emergency spending is included in the total.

The astonishing result, according to CBO, is the result of several factors: increases in spending included in the deal, especially at the Defense Department; decisions to draw over half of the savings from recissions, cuts to reserve funds, and mandatory-spending programs; and writing off cuts from funding that might never have been spent.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/budget/c ... n-20110413
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Re: US Budget Thread (merged)

Postby eXpat » Fri 09 Sep 2011, 09:00:49

Well, that was fast! 8O
Here We Go Again: US To Breach "Transitory" Debt Ceiling On Monday
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t is hard to believe that the last time the US had breached its debt ceiling was a whopping one month ago. Courtesy of much toil, tears and televized theater (not to mention fake compromises), the Obama administration managed to get an accordion-feature extension of the debt-ceiling-cum-target, whereby it is currently at $14.694 trillion, and can be extended in $500 billion increments, for a total of $1.5 trillion provided congress and senate do not vote down such an expansion. The reason we bring this up is because as the data below demonstrates, the US Treasury will breach its brand new debt ceiling... on Monday.

That's right: as of yesterday, total US debt was $14.717 trillion (obviously an all time record, and every day closer to parity with US GDP), while debt subject to the ceiling was $16.772 trillion, or just $22 billion below the total before someone has to go ahead and commence the whole debt ceiling fiasco from scratch. And since as the Treasury is auctioning off another $32 billion in 3 Year bonds on Monday, that process better scramble or else all that rhetoric about Social Security being nothing but a plundered ponzi scheme will be proven true yet again. And while we see flashing headlines that Obama's proposal is now set to be a bullshit $450 billion (bullshit because republican will absolutely not go ahead with it), we are positive that not one word will be uttered to inform the public that as of this moment Harry Reed has already started the process of the next $500 billion debt ceiling expansion, one which will bring total US debt-to-GDP to over 100% for the first time since the post-WW2 period.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/here-we-go-again-us-breach-transitory-debt-ceiling-monday
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Re: US Budget Thread (merged)

Postby Cog » Fri 09 Sep 2011, 13:04:02

In one month, after the rancorous debate about the debt ceiling,we are ready to breach it again. Tell me again how spending is not the problem?
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