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Re: unconcious criminal beaten
by ALBY » Sat 23 May 2009, 09:41:42
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', ' ')A 50 mile chase is inexcusable
As is cops beating on someone who is already unconscious upon their arrival. His prior actions are completely irrelevant in that regard. The mandate for LEOs is to use the minimal amount of force required to obtain compliance, not beat the sh*t out of someone who is not even attempting to resist just because they're 'pissed off' at him/her. Those cops deserve to be fired and completely barred from working in any position of authority ever again...**pukes** ok only the finest americans among us are allowed to work for peanuts and sort out your domestic disputes and drunken car wrecks then. remember your high standards the next time you f*ck up at work.
ps im not advocating beatings, but all the furious anger about this beating is misplaced IMO. there are other more nefarious problems that you can waste bandwith complaining about.
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Re: unconcious criminal beaten
by Micki » Sat 23 May 2009, 10:11:23
I must have missed that post with the "furious anger".
I personally think it is a fair discussion. Should police be allowed to beat up or not. Currently the legal system says NO yet police in many cases keeps getting away withit and within the force omerta is the rule.
So if you think it is OK, then I guess there should be a law change that allows for this.And if so where do you draw the line? There was a guy who cycled against red a few months ago and ended up losing a few teeth. As it was illegal for the police to beat him up they lied about it until video evidence emerged. So maybe if a rule that said reckless behaviour in traffic that could endndger lives, such as cycling against red, had allowed for a beating, the police could have gottent a gold start instead for teaching the cyclist an important lesson.
I personally think it is a fair discussion. Should police be allowed to beat up or not. Currently the legal system says NO yet police in many cases keeps getting away withit and within the force omerta is the rule.
So if you think it is OK, then I guess there should be a law change that allows for this.And if so where do you draw the line? There was a guy who cycled against red a few months ago and ended up losing a few teeth. As it was illegal for the police to beat him up they lied about it until video evidence emerged. So maybe if a rule that said reckless behaviour in traffic that could endndger lives, such as cycling against red, had allowed for a beating, the police could have gottent a gold start instead for teaching the cyclist an important lesson.
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Re: unconcious criminal beaten
by Schmuto » Sun 24 May 2009, 09:41:40
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'B')ut his unconscious head attacked the policeman's foot. That's a beatin'. Seriously, what the cops did is wrong, but when someone goes on a 50 mile car chase with the cops, I do not feel sorry for anything that happens to them. The criminal endangered dozens, if not hundreds, of lives, including children riding with their parents. When a policeman pulls you over, you stop and talk to them. End of story.
You're too far along in your development to believe this. I know it seems rational - but it's rational only for as long as the laws are rational. If we allow, without punishment, law enforcement to be punitive during arrests, regardless of what precipitated the arrest, then we are, de facto, allowing the LEO to be jury and judge. That path is slippery and fraught with danger.
The people on this board who are currently saying, "good, got what he deserved" lack foresight and wisdom. What they don't yet see, but what they someday may, is that they become the criminal, not because they have behaved differently, but because the scope of definition of "criminal" has been enlarged.
What about this - - - You're speeding 15 mph over the speed limit. Cop pulls you over. Tells you to get out of the car and lay on the ground with your hands behind your head, face to the ground. You ask what this is all about. He tazers you for resisting arrest, and, before putting the cuffs on, puts a boot in your face and kicks out a few teeth.
. . . if you think what happened here is OK, you fail on two levels - first, in your morality. Beating an unconscious man is always wrong. Second, you fail in your political reason - you don't see that you could be this man in the near future.
The pattern is becoming more obvious in our society - LEOs becoming very aggressive early and viewing any questioning of their actions as a crime.
Think about it. Wrong cop wrong day and it's you getting your teeth kicked in. You're not a "law-abiding citizen". Remember that.
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Re: unconcious criminal beaten
by Micki » Sun 24 May 2009, 10:11:33
A little reminder of what goes down when the police can decide for themselves. The second half gets graphic and you can recognice a couple of cases that were previousy brought up here in PO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej31u9EyXh8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej31u9EyXh8&feature=related
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