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Trading Controls May be Coming . . .

Unread postby Cashmere » Thu 08 May 2008, 13:02:36

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This is the part about which I wonder . . .

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut Levin also said he is introducing a bill, calling for an end to all electronic loopholes, including the buying of oil electronically in regulated markets like the commodities exchange in London.


Not sure what that means.

It wouldn't seem to suggest that he intends to promote cutting off all trading by those who don't actually want to take delivery of oil, but I'm not sure.

Of course that's where it's all going.

India, I believe, just made it illegal to trade several food commodities.
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Re: Trading Controls May be Coming . . .

Unread postby americandream » Thu 08 May 2008, 18:28:07

This is one contradiction of the capitalist market. In it euphoric embrace of no controls and rejection of all forms of regulation, it confronts its failures and consequently turns to the very mechanisms it professes to eschew, for relief.

Ironic!
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Re: Trading Controls May be Coming . . .

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 08 May 2008, 18:31:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')his is one contradiction of the capitalist market. In it euphoric embrace of no controls and rejection of all forms of regulation, it confronts its failures and consequently turns to the very mechanisms it professes to eschew, for relief.

Ironic!


It's a free market, until it isn't. :)
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Re: Trading Controls May be Coming . . .

Unread postby bonehead » Thu 08 May 2008, 18:51:16

It's about fucking time,think about it,almost every day the price goes up because of "geopolitical issues" like Iran cutting off supplies because of their nuclear program.The supplies never get cut off but the price just keeps going up day after day for the same reason.Katrina was a justified price spike,a real,not imagined event.There's no doubt that supplies are tight but i'm convinced there's a whole lot of greed out there.
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Re: Trading Controls May be Coming . . .

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 08 May 2008, 18:58:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bonehead', 'I')t's about fucking time,think about it,almost every day the price goes up because of "geopolitical issues" like Iran cutting off supplies because of their nuclear program.


At no point are you going to divorce "geopolitical issues" from the price of oil that's sitting under the ground of people embroiled in said issues. If supply wasn't so constrained, traders might not give a shit about the machinations of the Middle East, but that's clearly not the case. Until it is, though, expect the price to react, and quite aggressively I might add, to geopolitical issues.
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Re: Trading Controls May be Coming . . .

Unread postby mattduke » Thu 08 May 2008, 20:15:18

Price controls are people controls.
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Re: Trading Controls May be Coming . . .

Unread postby Ferretlover » Thu 08 May 2008, 20:26:04

No law is passed without a backdoor.
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Re: Trading Controls May be Coming . . .

Unread postby mattduke » Thu 08 May 2008, 20:28:41

Anyone who seriously desires prices controls doesn't believe in the concept of economics.
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Re: Trading Controls May be Coming . . .

Unread postby Twilight » Thu 08 May 2008, 20:40:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut Levin also said he is introducing a bill, calling for an end to all electronic loopholes, including the buying of oil electronically in regulated markets like the commodities exchange in London.

It wouldn't seem to suggest that he intends to promote cutting off all trading by those who don't actually want to take delivery of oil, but I'm not sure.

Of course that's where it's all going.

Yes, sounds like it. Not sure what insisting on physical delivery would do in practice though. Probably abruptly shift that money into other commodities and give all utilities a case of indigestion.

They would need a lot more governments doing likewise to have any impact though.
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Re: Trading Controls May be Coming . . .

Unread postby Pops » Thu 08 May 2008, 21:00:39

I gotta wonder; So What?

Gamble all you want on futures but when the delivery date comes around, what the buyer is willing to pay on the open market pretty well sets the tone - no?
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Re: Trading Controls May be Coming . . .

Unread postby MD » Thu 08 May 2008, 21:08:20

Trading controls?? Knee jerks like this will start to occur all over the place, until somebody takes one on the chin.

This sudden commodities-run increases war risk by an order of magnitude or so, don't you think? Resource conflict historically accounts for what percentage of wars again? . . . anyone?

The majority? Perhaps even the vast majority?
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Re: Trading Controls May be Coming . . .

Unread postby Cashmere » Thu 08 May 2008, 21:35:10

MD.

Isn't it all?

Did anybody ever start a war just to kill and then retreat without booty?

I can't think of one.

I'm no historian, however.
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Re: Trading Controls May be Coming . . .

Unread postby jlw61 » Thu 08 May 2008, 21:39:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') gotta wonder; So What?

Gamble all you want on futures but when the delivery date comes around, what the buyer is willing to pay on the open market pretty well sets the tone - no?


Pops, as usual you have a firm grip on the issue. Just because a June '08 contract is at an equivalent of $250 per barrel in May does not mean that at expiration the price will not be at an equivalent of $80 per barrel. The only price that matters to the market is the price that is paid for delivery. Everything that runs up to that is just speculation and legalized gambling.
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Re: Trading Controls May be Coming . . .

Unread postby MD » Thu 08 May 2008, 22:04:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'M')D.

Isn't it all?

Did anybody ever start a war just to kill and then retreat without booty?

I can't think of one.

I'm no historian, however.


Well, there is always war over women. I wouldn't dare classify them as resource; not in this day and age anyway! 8)
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