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Re: Town HaLL Meetings
by smallpoxgirl » Thu 03 Sep 2009, 10:10:55
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'W')hat kind of "health" insurance is it if its usefull only if you are about to die?
Again, my point is that $2000 a year in medical costs is a very common situation that people need to budget for. If people are below the poverty line, then I have no objection to medicaid helping them out. Every American is shelling out right now an average of $500 per month on health care. You can slice it an dice it however you want, we're still going to be paying $500 per person per month for healthcare. If you can't afford $500 per month for healthcare, then what we need is not universal coverage, but cheaper healthcare. It's darn sure not going to make that $500 any cheaper by putting the government in charge of it.
Here's another link I thought you guys might like to have a go at. link Pfizer agreed today to pay $2.3 billion to the justice department for fraudulent advertising. IMHO pharmaceutical marketing is an ENORMOUS drain on the healthcare system that desperately needs to be rained in. For many of those companies, advertising is almost half of their operating budget, and it really doesn't do anything useful for anyone.
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What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Re: Town HaLL Meetings
by Pretorian » Thu 03 Sep 2009, 11:12:28
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ' ') Every American is shelling out right now an average of $500 per month on health care. You can slice it an dice it however you want, we're still going to be paying $500 per person per month for healthcare. If you can't afford $500 per month for healthcare, then what we need is not universal coverage, but cheaper healthcare. It's darn sure not going to make that $500 any cheaper by putting the government in charge of it.
Government of Georgia spends a hopping 14-16 dollars per citizen per year on (socialized) healthcare. Significantly less than that in previous years.I will guess that half of this money is stolen way before any patient will see it, by a light estimate.
Life expectancy in Georgia:
total population: 76.72 years
male: 73.41 years
female: 80.45 years (2009 est)
life expectany for a female in USA: 80.69 (2009 est)
PS Now here is a kicker: average life expectancy for both sexes in Georgia, USA: 75.3 years.
I almost posted that females in USA live a month longer not thanks to, but despite of healthcare provided to them , but apparently health professionals in GA work hard enough to make the difference
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Re: Town HaLL Meetings
by smallpoxgirl » Thu 03 Sep 2009, 11:33:48
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'G')overnment of Georgia spends a hopping 14-16 dollars per citizen per year on (socialized) healthcare. Significantly less than that in previous years.I will guess that half of this money is stolen way before any patient will see it, by a light estimate.
You're talking about the country Georgia? Not the US state?
Certainly other countries have been successful in providing quality healthcare much more cheaply than we do. Around $2000 per person per year seems to be optimal. link I'm not sure that I believe much can be done with $14 per year.
None the less, the system that we've created in the US costs us $6000 per year. I think we should be outraged by that. I think we should be fixing that. Universal coverage doesn't some how magically make it cheaper.
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Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Re: Town HaLL Meetings
by vision-master » Thu 03 Sep 2009, 12:23:47
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')one the less, the system that we've created in the US costs us $6000 per year. I think we should be outraged by that. I think we should be fixing that. Universal coverage doesn't some how magically make it cheaper.
More moola for the insurance companies, that's all.
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