[Snowrunner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'I')'ve been reading a lot about what has been happening in Greece. The story behind the burning, the stories of getting organized, friendship, 100% trust, squats, social centers, concerts, happenings, etc. It's a beautifull thing. People need not be just zombie machines. Anarchist rEVOlution is possible. Not certainty, but possibility. Up to us. All the lonely people... where do they all belong?

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'A')nyhow, with all the self-appointed Geniuses on this board, not a single one of them has come up with a workable system other than recidivist talk about returning to Precious Metals, which I debunk on a regular basis. I did start a thread quite a while back on Alternative Monetary systems, but I can't find it right now. This is the Numero Uno problem to tackle once the Fed goes the way of the Dinosaur.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowrunner', 'T')he problem, as I see it, in the US is that the "culture" in the US is that of "individualism". If that prevails then it won't end well.
Greece and other "socialist" places always had a more "we" kind of feel to it.
Can it change in the US? Sure, but I am not so sure this will happen, mainly because it seems to be too deeply ingrained.... That and the abundance of guns and ammo.

[shortonoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'A')nyhow, with all the self-appointed Geniuses on this board, not a single one of them has come up with a workable system other than recidivist talk about returning to Precious Metals, which I debunk on a regular basis. I did start a thread quite a while back on Alternative Monetary systems, but I can't find it right now. This is the Numero Uno problem to tackle once the Fed goes the way of the Dinosaur.

[galacticsurfer]

http://historyunfolding.blogspot.com/20 ... 08-30.html

When the man here is right then the democrats will be blamed for the crisis and lose their majority in November which will paralyse and make any inititaive impossible. The economy will get worse until 2012 and maybe Palin or similar will be elected with a far right wing agenda like Hitler to save the country from Liberals and foreigners.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', '
Germany had lived during the 1920s on infusions of American capital, and the US stock market crash in October 1929 led to immediate withdrawals and a currency crisis. German unemployment—already high at 8.4% in 1928—shot up to 13.1% in 1929 and 15.3% in 1930. Government revenues fell sharply, making it impossible to meet the new demands on the recently enacted unemployment insurance program, and the coalition broke up over this issue early in 1930. The new Chancellor, Center Party leader Heinrich Brüning, began governing by emergency decree, using the emergency powers written into the Weimar Constitution. He also called new elections, held in September 1930. The three Weimar parties, who had received nearly half the vote in 1928, now got just 44.2, while the Nazis jumped to 18.3 % of the vote and the Communists to 13.1%. With a third of the Reichstag, or Parliament, committed to total obstructionism, the government remained paralyzed, and Brüning’s emergency rule continued for two more years of continuous controversy, local elections, a Presidential vote in which the aged Marshall Hindenburg was re-elected over Hitler, and widespread political violence.
')

[efarmer]

Hitler rose up in a nation that had an intact but idle manufacturing base and used it to leverage his ambitions for resource exploits via war.

The competing Republican / Democrat nation dismantling teams work for corporations, and they are not allowed to seize foreign resources that are needed in Asia where their employers have gone long on investment and need the revenue keep giving them election funds.

Hitler was convinced that his workers were tired and spoiled and envied the Slavic worker who expected nothing and worked his buns off because the factory was his entire gambit in life. He wished to crossbreed Aryan blood and engineer the super factory grunt as part of his nonsense.

We converted workers to investors and service workers as if we could take the base apart and add it to the point on the top of our pyramid, and guess what, you can do it until you chip the base too far away at the edges and gravity takes over.

Rotted out and needing rebuild is not the same as confined and desiring break out for expansion.

[eastbay]

Fixed it for you.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'F')DR and Churchill rose up in nations that had an intact but idle manufacturing base and used
it to leverage their ambitions for resource exploits via war.

The competing Republican/ Democrat nation dismantling teams work for corporations,
and they are not allowed to seize foreign resources that are needed in Asia where
their employers have gone long on investment and need the revenue keep giving
them election funds.

Roosevelt and Churchill were convinced that their workers were tired and spoiled and envied the
Factory worker who expected nothing and worked his buns off because the
factory was his entire gambit in life. They wished to crossbreed European blood
and engineer the super factory grunt as part of his nonsense.


We converted workers to investors and service workers as if we could
take the base apart and add it to the point on the top of our pyramid,
and guess what, you can do it until you chip the base too far away
at the edges and gravity takes over.

Rotted out and needing rebuild is not the same as confined and desiring
break out for expansion.

[TheDude]

At least my town may get a train, which might run on time.

Someone say reparations? Why Iceland Does Not Want to Pay by Hannes H. Gissurarson

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he British also turned the IMF on the Icelanders, as if it was a bounty collector. Despite strenuous denials by the IMF, it is clear that its financial assistance to the small island nation was on condition that it would reimburse the British and the Dutch for their payments to depositors. By his refusal, the Icelandic president was responding to the fierce opposition of the vast majority of his nation to the deal with the British and the Dutch. But why does Iceland not want to pay?

First, Icelanders point out that the amount of money involved is enormous by Icelandic standards, possibly as much as $6 billion—about half the country's entire GDP: It is on a scale with the debt burden imposed on the Germans after World War I.

[galacticsurfer]

More interesting quote form above articel on Tea Party and Rush Limbaugh:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')It is now exactly 80 years since 1930. The election in Massachusetts this Tuesday—which at the very least promises to be much closer than anticipated—offers a preview of what could happen in the fall. The United States isn’t Weimar Germany, not least because of our well-established two-party system. But the Tea Party movement is busily taking over the Republican Party (and in effect already controls its powerful propaganda ministries on Fox News and Clear Channel, something the Nazis never enjoyed.) That movement is based largely upon paranoia and absurd theories about who controls America, what the Obama Administration is doing, and why. (Rush Limbaugh, to whom I listened for a while today, insists that Obama has purposely wrecked the economy to make a statist takeover possible. He could not conceal his excitement over the possible Republican victory in Massachusetts and what it might mean.) And of course, one of their tactics is to pin the Fascist/National Socialist label on President Obama, a moderate liberal.
Now while I am not accusing the Republican Party or the Tea Party movement of Fascism, I do think that we are now threatened with a complete collapse of national authority, brought about in large measure by their mad ideological excess and hatred of liberal elites. Certainly, as a story in today’s New York Times suggests, the Tea Party movement has established itself as the most organized and determined nationwide political movement that we have. Whether the Republicans win in Massachusetts on Tuesday or not, they seem very likely to make gains in the fall. Any gains in the Senate will mean the total paralysis of the government for two years, similar to what happened in Germany in 1930-2 or in France in the mid-1950s (when de Gaulle also used emergency powers, sometimes of dubious legality, to get France back on track.) Let us hope that we do not also have an outbreak of domestic political violence.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('galacticsurfer', 'M')ore interesting quote form above articel on Tea Party and Rush Limbaugh:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '-')-snip-- And of course, one of their tactics is to pin the Fascist/National Socialist label on President Obama, a moderate liberal.Now while I am not accusing the Republican Party or the Tea Party movement of Fascism, I do think that we are now threatened with a complete collapse of national authority, brought about in large measure by their mad ideological excess and hatred of liberal elites.--snip--Any gains in the Senate will mean the total paralysis of the government for two years, similar to what happened in Germany in 1930-2 or in France in the mid-1950s (when de Gaulle also used emergency powers, sometimes of dubious legality, to get France back on track.)

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
') Obama a Moderate Liberal ?? Give me a break.

[gollum]

In my opinion, the "breakdown" in national authority is exactly what we need. Is the "Tea party" the answer? Well reelecting the same two groups of *** ***** that made this mess sure isn't!!!!!!!

[Denny]

I can't equate Sarah Palin with Adolf Hitler. That is over the top. Whatever Sarahs's weakness for credentials as a stateswoman, deep down she is a practical and caring mother, businesswoman and politician. Let's not try to turn her into some kind of devil. That is crazy.

[Ferretlover]

How did Palin get included here? Can she see Germany from her house, too?

[SeaGypsy]

Why on earth would America want to elect Palin? From outside the country I can tell you she looks like an idiot 100% dependent on her spin doctors and advisors for policy positions and is equally puppet like to any other option. The USA does not need another idiot for president.
From an external perspective the 2 things the USA most needs to do are sorting out a program to move seriously towards energy independence and another to boot the 10's of millions of illegals out. With all the big car manufacturers making patheticly token moves in fleet efficiency and neither side of politics seriously facing up to illegal immigration; what hope is there?
I admit both of the points I have raised here are extremely difficult to actualize. But they would at least be about sorting out the USA for the USA rather than current insanity on the world stage. Heck, the USA might even gain some credibilty!
Nationalism in the Weimar Republic was key to rebuilding Germany, unfortunately the leader was a druggie psycho. Nationalism is now key to rebuilding the USA, but the leaders are all corporate psychos. Likelihood of similar rise and fall?
The game is in play and it's about globalism with the corporates running the show. It is extremely unlikely to change to re-nationalism at any point in the forseeable future.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'W')hy on earth would America want to elect Palin? From outside the country I can tell you she looks like an idiot 100% dependent on her spin doctors and advisors for policy positions and is equally puppet like to any other option. The USA does not need another idiot for president.

[pablonite]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'F')rom an external perspective the 2 things the USA most needs to do are sorting out a program to move seriously towards energy independence and another to boot the 10's of millions of illegals out.

[kmann]

Whenever I see another current USA = Weimar Germany thread, I just have to shake my head in disbelief. Both are/were soverign nations in difficult times (Weimar Germany worse, however). After that the similarities cease. Did the US just lose a World War and have reparations to pay? Maybe I missed it.
I had grandparents who lived through that era and I've heard firsthand stories, besides having read some on the subject. Once again, the US is right now nothing like 1920's Germany.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'W')hy on earth would America want to elect Palin? From outside the country I can tell you she looks like an idiot 100% dependent on her spin doctors and advisors for policy positions and is equally puppet like to any other option. The USA does not need another idiot for president.

[Cloud9]

We as a nation have not descended to the depths of the Weimar Republic. We have not seen our political system completely abolished. We do not have fascist, communists and anarchists brawling in the streets. Our currency has not lost all value. We have not lost a major war where our armies have been defeated. No power on the planet can physically walk into the United States and seize anything.

All of these things are possible, but they have not happened yet. The body politic senses that if business continues as usual, some or all of these things are possible. There is a general feeling that something is wrong. The majority of small business owners are watching their businesses decline. I suspect most of these business owners are WASP. Many do not see the current government as representing their interests. Many feel that we are witnessing the end of an era.

The recent housing boom gave many blue collar workers a taste of the good life and the brief experience of owning their own businesses. Thousands and thousands of contractors and subcontractors have lost their businesses. Mean while, the banks are recording record profits and giving out billion dollar bonuses. If you have ever been in construction, you know that the contractor is always caught between the bank and the home owner and the bank always wins. There is a rancor building in this country against Wall Street that borders on a wish for class warfare.

Whether you like the Tea Parties or not, the Tea Parties do represent a populist up rising of sorts. Whatever group can harness this growing rage will seize the momentum in the up coming elections. To dismiss these people out of hand is a huge political mistake.