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')BlueCat: Thanks, there is a little farmers market that is in town in the summer , but very small, I'll check it out this year there must be some folks around here. We actually are thinking about moving down to Green Bay in February because I can't find a descent job and we both commute down there anyways. So I won't be in the market for my dream farmhouse on 40 acres for a few years. I guess I am hopin' there will be time. If I see things get dramatically worse in the next few months we may stay put. I have a white niagara grape vine on the house, we got over two gallons of good juice last year. We have room for a descent garden, so far just herbs and tomatoes. We have a plum tree and a hardy apricot tree that has not given fruit yet, plus some vivacious black raspberries. Now I know a girl at school, I have not seen her for a while who makes her own clothes out of hemp, and probably smokes the buds too, but I know it can be done. Have you considered raising a cow or two and learning how to tan hides (actually I think you just piss on them and set them in the sun).
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Re: The Waiting is the Hardest Part
by SinisterBlueCat » Sat 01 Oct 2005, 13:14:27
Holy cow, with what you have going already, you are way a head of the game. Most people I know only grow flowers. I am in the camp that would not want to be on 40 acres outside of town, but would rather be on a smaller plot of land closer intoa small town. I do not have the family structure that would allow me to effectively run a farm....but, that means, no room for cows. But I do have two horses, unfortunately, I have to board them nearby, but I am a proficient rider and have also taught both of them to drive.
Oh, and for some really great inspiration on growing enough food on your own lot, please visit this website
www.pathtofreedom.com
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Re: The Waiting is the Hardest Part
by SinisterBlueCat » Sat 01 Oct 2005, 14:37:41
no, drive as in carriage. I have a corgi for the sheep! 
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Re: The Waiting is the Hardest Part
by drew » Sat 01 Oct 2005, 16:26:46
'The waiiiting is the haaardest part' , Tom Petty, right??
The waiting sucks, btw..
Don't scheme too much folks, just have skills, knowledge, and the ability to adapt; land, gold, and money would help too.
Too much will be in flux in the next two decades to plan accordingly.
Nyah Nyah, my crystal ball is better than yours...
Drew
The waiting sucks, btw..
Don't scheme too much folks, just have skills, knowledge, and the ability to adapt; land, gold, and money would help too.
Too much will be in flux in the next two decades to plan accordingly.
Nyah Nyah, my crystal ball is better than yours...
Drew
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Re: The Waiting is the Hardest Part
by medicvet » Sun 02 Oct 2005, 14:39:26
medicvet: On the groups issue, I think that the elites are already forming a group. But they are starting from a position where they can stock an underground cave with space age technology and twenty years of food, first class accomodations etc. It could be the start of the Morlocs with Dick Cheney being Darth Morloc. But someone will survive. I honestly doubt that peaceful and reclusive geniuses will live long because stupid people hate even beautiful geniuses (IMO).
I wasn't thinking of elites, or wacko groups (racist and/or ultra religious ones), but rather of ordinary people, or communities, who have respect for the individual and each other. People who might be part of PO conscious communities and are making plans, or individuals who realize that there might be strength in numbers, ya know?
I am still learning about all this myself, but just think it would be good if say a group in northern california would be in touch and express their support and similiar goals with one in orgon, so it could go state to state or
even nation to nation in supporting each other..and inviduals in states could use this time to get together with each other at least once a year to touch base and compare notes, and agree to support one another.
I wasn't thinking of elites, or wacko groups (racist and/or ultra religious ones), but rather of ordinary people, or communities, who have respect for the individual and each other. People who might be part of PO conscious communities and are making plans, or individuals who realize that there might be strength in numbers, ya know?
I am still learning about all this myself, but just think it would be good if say a group in northern california would be in touch and express their support and similiar goals with one in orgon, so it could go state to state or
even nation to nation in supporting each other..and inviduals in states could use this time to get together with each other at least once a year to touch base and compare notes, and agree to support one another.
Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe.-H.G. Wells
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Re: The Waiting is the Hardest Part
by bobcousins » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 08:46:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', ' ')Depends on what they see as an authority figure.
I think you eventually stumbled on the key point, even if you don't appreciate it. It works the opposite way to what you think. People decide on their beliefs first, then look for an authority figure who agrees.
Changing what authority figures say does not help. People will just choose different authority figures who tell them what they want to hear.
It's all downhill from here
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Re: The Waiting is the Hardest Part
by Ibon » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 11:15:55
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', ' ')Depends on what they see as an authority figure.
I think you eventually stumbled on the key point, even if you don't appreciate it. It works the opposite way to what you think. People decide on their beliefs first, then look for an authority figure who agrees.
Changing what authority figures say does not help. People will just choose different authority figures who tell them what they want to hear.
An authority figure and the collective consensus that believes it is like a dance. No leader on this issue can form in a vaccuum. The momentum on Peak Oil however has picked up enough that voices of authority are beginning to grow because people are beginning to believe it. You are right that an authority needs people who believe it. It has the potential to become a revolution in peoples thinking but only when the old consensus reality loses its power and therefore it's hold on the beliefs of those who follow it. We are witnessing strains and cracks on the consumerist materialist consensus reality that will grow to the point that peoples beliefs will shift. They will squirm in denial and try to hold on to an illusion of a dying idealogy but only as long as the illusion sustains them! Lets face it, although exploitive and unjust, the materialist consumerist reality did allow an unsustainable consumerism to grow for several decades up until now. Remember, the driver of this is not idealogical but reality driven. It's a negative feedback system, the less energy available from fossil fuel depletion the more energy available for the upcoming revolution!
Think of individual authority figures of the past century, both good and evil; Hitler, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Pinochet etc. Think of the shifting consensus reality of the issues around them that lead to their authority. They were charasmatic leaders as well as being at the right place at the right time, the fruits were ripe for revolution. For those that doubt the revolutionary potential of peak oil just remember that this is an energy driven issue that forces itself from the external environment, not from a human idealogy. Nobody can squirm around this one.
The biggest question is the nature of the authority that starts to shape the consensus reality, and the spiritual maturity of the consensus of the masses to shape the authority. If this dance will produce Hitlers or Ghandi's. That remains a mystery to be seen.
My gut level sees short term Hitlers but long term Ghandis!
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