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Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 11 Apr 2005, 23:32:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeW', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'T')his is what i've noticed from the left (liberals) since clinton left office. They're ready to rev up a civil war by declairing every election they loose to be "stolen" or "corrupt". Standing up for the second amendment will provoke a fierce reaction and if you're pro-life you've just lost your first amendment rights as well.


Well, here's the problem, Ron. The right is still trying to win votes with issues from 200 yrs ago (2nd amendment, I think the fact that it's already in our CONSTITUTION should end the debate), 30 yrs ago (abortion), and 10 minutes ago (gay marriage).
None of these issues is likely to affect the way that we live. No one is saying that someone needs to come down to your house and take your gun away... If the crackhead girl next door neighbor gets an abortion, what is the real impact on the world? Right--one less crack baby. And if Tom and Bob next door want to be married, how does that really affect you?
We need to find politicians somewhere (ANYwhere) that will ignore these red herring issues and work on more big picture problems--like border security, the labor market, and the budget.
The president, for all his faults, has at least taken up one big picture item--social security. I don't necessarily agree with his policy, but have to admit that I would rather hear him talk about that than gay marriage.
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You dont think defending our Constitutional Rights, that which is the very FABRIC of this country, is a "big picture" issue??
WTF??
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Unread postby JoeW » Tue 12 Apr 2005, 10:14:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeW', '
')We need to find politicians somewhere (ANYwhere) that will ignore these red herring issues and work on more big picture problems--like border security, the labor market, and the budget.
The president, for all his faults, has at least taken up one big picture item--social security. I don't necessarily agree with his policy, but have to admit that I would rather hear him talk about that than gay marriage.
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You dont think defending our Constitutional Rights, that which is the very FABRIC of this country, is a "big picture" issue??
WTF??

It's in the constitution that you can have a gun. Relax! You can have a gun. WTF else do you want??? I am as liberal as they come and I think everyone should have a F'ing gun. The attack on gun ownership is a total fabrication dreamt up by Republicans to get you to vote.
Just like the flag-burning issue of 1992
Just like the gay marriage issue of 2004
Neither of which is debated anymore.
Show me a poll that says that any decent percentage of US Citizens is ready to give up their 2nd amendment rights. Maybe you could do a poll for us right here on PeakOil.com, where you know that there is a liberal tilt. See how many of these liberals are okay with gun ownership.
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Unread postby Doly » Tue 12 Apr 2005, 10:18:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')You dont think defending our Constitutional Rights, that which is the very FABRIC of this country, is a "big picture" issue??
WTF??


Guns don't seem to be the very fabric of any other developed country but the US. I wonder if this tells us something?
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Help Conservative Republican End the War in Iraq

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 14:26:22

A conservative Republican is leading a bipartisan effort to get the troops home safely. Urge your congressperson to support the resolution calling on Bush to create a plan and to start bringing the troops home by October 2006. link In your communication, tell them to quit trying to forcibly democratize the Middle East and concentrate on changing the way the world uses energy!
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Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 14:51:22

This is real progress.
Now why didn't I take the blue pill.
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Re: Help Conservative Republican End the War in Iraq

Unread postby FatherOfTwo » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 15:01:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'A') conservative Republican is leading a bipartisan effort to get the troops home safely. Urge your congressperson to support the resolution calling on Bush to create a plan and to start bringing the troops home by October 2006. link In your communication, tell them to quit trying to forcibly democratize the Middle East and concentrate on changing the way the world uses energy!

IMO, they never should have gone in. Now that they are there, they have to finish the job. And by finish the job I mean install some government with some sort of police force. If they don't that and they leave, Iraq will fall into a civil war and it'll get MUCH worse.
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Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 15:27:35

From what I'm reading, the Generals over there are growing more and more pessimistic about the US' ability to accomplish any stabilizing goals. Many fear that our presence there alone serves to diminish any progress we could make. More and more people view continuing the Iraq War as throwing good money (and lives) after bad.

...and what alot of bad money it has been.
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Unread postby jato » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 15:38:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')elp Conservative Republican End the War in Iraq.

Message sent! Bring the troops home ASAP!
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Democrat Candidate for POTUS?

Unread postby Onyered » Sun 09 Oct 2005, 03:41:17

Washington DC: Democratic National Committee spokesman Tom Headinass said recently that Martin Sheen is being “seriously considered” as a candidate for the 2008 presidential election. Headinass, speaking at a fundraiser in a Chinese temple said “He (Sheen) has the qualifications to lead, he’s played the president on the wildly popular television show the West Wing and has already dealt with and solved most of the worlds problems in a very liberal and politically correct manner.” Sheen could not be reached for comment. The announcement fueled speculation that the Democratic Party is bankrupt for ideas and caught in a quagmire of political correctness and mudslinging.
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Re: Democrat Candidate for POTUS?

Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Sun 09 Oct 2005, 03:54:15

Sounds like the source of the news report needs a cephalanoectomy
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Re: Democrat Candidate for POTUS?

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 09 Oct 2005, 04:26:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('auctionmonster', 'S')ounds like the source of the news report needs a cephalanoectomy
No, just the Democratic Party is still suffering from the wearegonnaloseoboty they got last election. :lol:
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Re: Democrat Candidate for POTUS?

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Sun 09 Oct 2005, 13:10:45

Considering the last election shows strong evidence of tampering on part of the Republicans, I don't understand why the democrats are so crestfallen. They should have been surrounding the white house with guns about now, but it just goes to show you that Kerry was but a pansy with an intent to lose and should that fail, no fight in him to actually challenge a threat the last shred of integrity our voting process had left...

It'd be nice if someone had decided to shoot Walton O'Dell dead before the (s)election.
The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the old growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder. ~Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Democrat Candidate for POTUS?

Unread postby Onyered » Sun 09 Oct 2005, 23:29:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'C')onsidering the last election shows strong evidence of tampering on part of the Republicans,.

Unless you can show otherwise I take it this evidence is simply the fact that Kerry lost? Makes since in a Liberal sort of way.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'I')t'd be nice if someone had decided to shoot Walton O'Dell dead before the (s)election.

Can't we all just get along? Why must a peaceful discussion turn into a Liberal blood lust frenzy? Always the same rant, "Kill everyone I disagre with". I just don't understand. It makes me feel so sad. :(
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Re: Democrat Candidate for POTUS?

Unread postby k_semler » Sun 09 Oct 2005, 23:56:41

As long as Hitlery Clintoon, (or one of her butt-buddies), doesen't get the Democratic nomination, I will consider the canidate and see what he has to offer, and vote accordingly. But if Comrade Clinton runs, I will vote Republican regardless of who runs. I would sooner vote for Ho Chi Mihn than Hitlery. At least then I would know what I was getting.
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Sustainability Party 2006 convention

Unread postby Cynus » Wed 03 May 2006, 10:30:38

The 2006 Sustainability Party convention will now be called to order!
Since we are not running candidates ourselves this year we will instead be announcing party endorsements of other candidates. In order to earn the Sustainability Party endorsement, the candidate must endorse our platform:
1. Pay off the national debt and then have a constitutional ammendment for balanced budgets (except for times of war).
2. Commitment to strong environmental protections against pollution and protecting biodiversity.
3. FSC standards for logging in national forests and MSC standards for fishery management.
4. Phase out of fossil fuel use through strict enforcement of annual reduction targets.
5. Large gas taxes used to fund mass transit projects.
6. No immigration except to keep population steady.
So, any nominations for candidates we should endorse? No? Not a single politician we can endorse?
OK, meeting adjourned. Be sure not to vote this year.
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Re: Sustainability Party 2006 convention

Unread postby holmes » Wed 03 May 2006, 11:31:08

I love your party and I have been a member for years now. The only ones close are Tancredo/Gilchrist ticket. Herman Daly(Ecological Economics) must be the head of the world bank.
Funny stuff Cynus. I wish it was true.
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Re: Sustainability Party 2006 convention

Unread postby foodnotlawns » Wed 03 May 2006, 11:37:37

Start gathering signatures to register and run. I'm dead serious. The Peak Oil boards will send you signatures via postcards! I know I would, and I'm sure others would too.
So, let's talk about the skeletons in your closet first. Small stuff is no big deal. Everybody likes sex, minor drug use is no big deal. Just so long as you are not a rapist, molestor, heroin addict etc.
If you are more or less "clean" so the mudslingers can't touch you, go for it. You can pay yourself a salary as a campaigner. I think people would donate. What the hell, do it!
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Re: Sustainability Party 2006 convention

Unread postby NeoPeasant » Wed 03 May 2006, 11:50:45

Good luck with your "more expensive gas, less employment, less stuff for everybody" platform.
The battle to preserve our lifestyle has already been lost. The battle to preserve our lives is just beginning.
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Re: Sustainability Party 2006 convention

Unread postby Cynus » Wed 17 May 2006, 21:18:30

Hey! I think we have an endorsement.
The Sustainability Party hereby endorses Chris Miller for Governor of Maine! link
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Re: Sustainability Party 2006 convention

Unread postby pea-jay » Thu 18 May 2006, 03:20:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'I') love your party and I have been a member for years now. The only ones close are Tancredo/Gilchrist ticket. Herman Daly(Ecological Economics) must be the head of the world bank.

The one thing that bugs me about Tancredo and company is their immigrant fixation and that by stopping and deporting them, we will solve our problems. I agree entirely with their assessment of the immigration situation, but just cracking down without addressing why they were here in the first place and what realistic options do we have to deal with it. Mass immigration does need to be stop. I'd advocate a net immigration policy where by we accept only the exact number of people from any given country so long as it equals the number of individuals returning for no net growth.

Like everything else in a powerdown plan accepting the hand you hold and moving on is important. The reality is a good number of those illegals have been here for years and aren't going anywhere. Deal with it and move on.
If these certain politicians could exchange the anti-IMMIGRANT platform with an anti-IMMIGRATION platform, they'd draw more support. Certainly mine.
But by and large the rest of the points made here are good. It may just take a third party to shake things up.
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