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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby basil_hayden » Sun 07 Aug 2011, 17:09:06

Fortunately they're too stupid to aim their anger appropriately, so their rapture-filled lightning bolts go the same direction I'd like them to.
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby Novus » Sun 07 Aug 2011, 18:40:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'W')hat is it with these Fox-network tools anyway?

They have the least education, income, savings, and future and the most to loose when the wealthy (from the right or left, who gives a f#ck) concentrate it all into their foreign bank accounts. These tea-party stooges take the side of their oppressors and do all their dirty work. Dumb bulbs. What would Marx have to say? No really. How do they fit in?


The Tea Party is like that black regiment that fought FOR the South in the Civil War. It was like the North is coming to liberate us and they were all hell no we like slavery. Marx says to the world "Workers unite and throw off your chains," and some crazy American workers say "Die Commie scum."
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby Lore » Sun 07 Aug 2011, 19:12:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')5.5 trillion under Bush divided by 8 years = .68 trillion debt increase per year
3 trillion under Obama divided by 3 years (almost) = 1 trillion debt increase per year

Who's math is off again?


This doesn't count for the fact that Bush blew it.

When President Bush took office in 2001, he inherited a $236 billion budget surplus, with a projected 10-year surplus of $5.6 trillion. When he ended his term, he left a $1.3 trillion deficit and a projected 10-year shortfall of $8 trillion.

That's what happens when you have a credit card with no limit.
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Sun 07 Aug 2011, 21:54:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')he Tea Party is like that black regiment that fought FOR the South in the Civil War. It was like the North is coming to liberate us and they were all hell no we like slavery. Marx says to the world "Workers unite and throw off your chains," and some crazy American workers say "Die Commie scum."

There were also slaves who picked up a rifle and tried to defend the plantation when they saw the Union troops approaching.

In all fairness to the slaves in your example, you have to look at it this way: that is the only life you know. You may not like being a slave, but you now have to imagine that someone is coming to take that away from you. It's not that hard to think that some people's first instinct might be to protect the only thing they've ever known.
When the banksters want something, our policymakers move with the speed of Mercury and the determination of Ares. It’s only when the rest of us need something that there is paralysis.

How free are we today with the dominance of globalist capital and militarized security apparatus?
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby americandream » Sun 07 Aug 2011, 22:08:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'W')hat is it with these Fox-network tools anyway?

They have the least education, income, savings, and future and the most to loose when the wealthy (from the right or left, who gives a f#ck) concentrate it all into their foreign bank accounts. These tea-party stooges take the side of their oppressors and do all their dirty work. Dumb bulbs. What would Marx have to say? No really. How do they fit in?


The Tea Party is like that black regiment that fought FOR the South in the Civil War. It was like the North is coming to liberate us and they were all hell no we like slavery. Marx says to the world "Workers unite and throw off your chains," and some crazy American workers say "Die Commie scum."


Hahahaha. You capture the essence of these bizarros so well.
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby timmac » Sun 07 Aug 2011, 22:12:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')ice President Joe Biden joined House Democrats in lashing tea party Republicans Monday, accusing them of having “acted like terrorists” in the fight over raising the nation’s debt limit, according to several sources in the room.

Biden was agreeing with a line of argument made by Rep. Mike Doyle (D-Pa.) at a two-hour, closed-door Democratic Caucus meeting.

How out of touch is this Obama White House when the second in command calls other Americans terrorist because of their beliefs that America should reduce its spending and get its fiscal house in order. That is what Democrats call jihad. REALLY?


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/08/02/vp-joe-biden-the-tea-partiers-are-like-terrorists-what-


With that said above, many here thinks I went over the edge by calling those in the White House Traitors, when the White House calls us American Citizens Terrorist than maybe they are Traitors.

However continue to flame away at my post and I am sure Basil_Hayden will be showing up to correct my grammar and to tell me to take my meds..
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby americandream » Sun 07 Aug 2011, 22:18:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')ice President Joe Biden joined House Democrats in lashing tea party Republicans Monday, accusing them of having “acted like terrorists” in the fight over raising the nation’s debt limit, according to several sources in the room.

Biden was agreeing with a line of argument made by Rep. Mike Doyle (D-Pa.) at a two-hour, closed-door Democratic Caucus meeting.

How out of touch is this Obama White House when the second in command calls other Americans terrorist because of their beliefs that America should reduce its spending and get its fiscal house in order. That is what Democrats call jihad. REALLY?


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/08/02/vp-joe-biden-the-tea-partiers-are-like-terrorists-what-

With that said above, many here thinks I went over the edge by calling those in the White House Traitors, when the White House calls us American Citizens Terrorist than maybe they are Traitors.

However continue to flame away at my post and I am sure Basil_Hayden will be showing up to correct my grammar and to tell me to take my meds..


Classic case of Stockholm Syndrome.
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby careinke » Sun 07 Aug 2011, 22:23:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')5.5 trillion under Bush divided by 8 years = .68 trillion debt increase per year
3 trillion under Obama divided by 3 years (almost) = 1 trillion debt increase per year

Who's math is off again?


This doesn't count for the fact that Bush blew it.

When President Bush took office in 2001, he inherited a $236 billion budget surplus, with a projected 10-year surplus of $5.6 trillion. When he ended his term, he left a $1.3 trillion deficit and a projected 10-year shortfall of $8 trillion.

That's what happens when you have a credit card with no limit.


You are right about Bush blowing it. That’s what started the Ron Paul campaign which was a significant player in the establishment of the TEA Party after the elections.

So, now that we have agreed that Bush blew it could you please explain the following to me about the Dims?

1. Why does the Deficit continue to grow three years after bush left? Oh I forgot it is Bushes fault. There was no way the Dems could have changed course when they controlled ALL branches of government for two years after the election and now control two thirds of the government.

2. Why haven’t the Dims passed (or even written) a budget when they controlled the House, Senate AND Presidency prior to the 2010 election and still control 2/3 of the gov today? Is that Bushes fault too? I’m really curious why they DID NOTHING during the two years when they CONTROLLED EVERYTHING.

3. Do Dims want to get rid of the drug prescription program? Why didn’t they do it when they had the chance (2009/2010) instead of just blaming Bush?

4. Why didn’t the Dims pass a comprehensive health care plan instead of enriching the big insurance companies and force people who could not afford it to purchase insurance. Remember they controlled the Senate, the House, AND the presidency. Are you going to blame the Tea baggers for this one even though they had NO Tea Party members in any branch of government?

5. Why are we STILL spending blood and treasure in Iraq and Afghanistan 3 years after (Half the length of WWII) the President was elected? Oh I forgot it is all Bush’s fault. He was so clever he made it impossible for the Dims to do get us out even though they CONTROLLED EVERYTHING.

6. Why did the Dimocratic controlled Senate vote against the presidents budget proposal 97-0?

7. Why did the Dims cut payroll taxes when they want to raise revenues?

8. Where was the Dim budget to counter Ryan’s budget (that passed in the house)? Easier to criticize than actually produce a written plan?

9. If the Dims wanted to tax the rich, why didn’t they do it when they CONTROLLED EVERYTHING?

10. Do Dims actually have a backbone? Because I certainly have not seen it. Perhaps they should change their mascot to a jellyfish.
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby careinke » Sun 07 Aug 2011, 22:42:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')5.5 trillion under Bush divided by 8 years = .68 trillion debt increase per year
3 trillion under Obama divided by 3 years (almost) = 1 trillion debt increase per year

Who's math is off again?


This doesn't count for the fact that Bush blew it.

When President Bush took office in 2001, he inherited a $236 billion budget surplus (with the help of a republican congress), with a projected 10-year surplus of $5.6 trillion. When he ended his term, he left a $1.3 trillion deficit (with the help of a Dimocratic House and Senate for his last two years), and a projected 10-year shortfall of $8 trillion.

That's what happens when you have a credit card with no limit.


Fixed that for you.
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby careinke » Sun 07 Aug 2011, 22:50:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'W')hat is it with these Fox-network tools anyway?

They have the least education, income, savings, and future and the most to loose when the wealthy (from the right or left, who gives a f#ck) concentrate it all into their foreign bank accounts. These tea-party stooges take the side of their oppressors and do all their dirty work. Dumb bulbs. What would Marx have to say? No really. How do they fit in?


Way to win the hearts and minds of the voting public. Keep it up, I'm sure it will help you win the next election. Remember (almost) 50% of the people have an IQ lower than 100, but they still get to vote. :shock:
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby basil_hayden » Mon 08 Aug 2011, 09:18:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')ice President Joe Biden joined House Democrats in lashing tea party Republicans Monday, accusing them of having “acted like terrorists” in the fight over raising the nation’s debt limit, according to several sources in the room.

Biden was agreeing with a line of argument made by Rep. Mike Doyle (D-Pa.) at a two-hour, closed-door Democratic Caucus meeting.

How out of touch is this Obama White House when the second in command calls other Americans terrorist because of their beliefs that America should reduce its spending and get its fiscal house in order. That is what Democrats call jihad. REALLY?


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/08/02/vp-joe-biden-the-tea-partiers-are-like-terrorists-what-


With that said above, many here thinks I went over the edge by calling those in the White House Traitors, when the White House calls us American Citizens Terrorist than maybe they are Traitors.

However continue to flame away at my post and I am sure Basil_Hayden will be showing up to correct my grammar and to tell me to take my meds..


Much better job on the grammar, timmeh. It's easier to take someone seriously when you know they are capable of spelling, IMHO.

I mentioned the meds because you're trying to place blame on one group at one time, when it has been a collective group of both Democrats and Republicans in every level of government over the last 50 years that placed us in the predicament we're in now. But next election cycle, 98% of voters will still vote for a Democrat or a Republican.

It's a country full of traitors and terrorists.
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby dissident » Mon 08 Aug 2011, 09:41:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', '
')I mentioned the meds because you're trying to place blame on one group at one time, when it has been a collective group of both Democrats and Republicans in every level of government over the last 50 years that placed us in the predicament we're in now. But next election cycle, 98% of voters will still vote for a Democrat or a Republican.

It's a country full of traitors and terrorists.


To be fair don't forget that local election committees tend to be dominated by Democrats and Republicans and they block third party candidates from the ballot. Nader got sabotaged this way in 2008. It's not surprising that 40% actually bother to vote. The majority votes with their feet for "none of the above". That's my optimistic spin on it anyway. Maybe the 60% are to all too lazy to lift a finger.
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby Timo » Mon 08 Aug 2011, 09:56:35

By a lot of this misguided rationale, i was a "terrorist" back during the W years when he decided to invade Iraq for totally fictional ties to 9-11. I knew the truth, said the entire war was a war of choice and a waste of tax dollars (and life), but the parrots all called me "Un-American" for "not supporting the troops." It's amazing how such rhetoric can lose favor with those who spew it solely for their own convenience. Bush escalated defense spending to levels greater than the rest of the planet COMBINED! Yet, calling him a treator is treason. Calling Obama a traitor for getting stuck with trillions in debt left to him by Republicans, on the other hand, well, that's just common sense. The party in power always gets the blame. Republicans have successfully engineered this fail-safe system. Create a problem. Let Democrats try to deal with it. Pin the problems on them. Win back control, and create more problems. I'm so tired of this crap that i'm at the point now of gladly suceeding control of government to those who created this whole mess. It's your problem. You deal with it. Of course, the institution of democracy will be lost along with this one party rule. Isn't it ironic that the Republican's color is RED??? And they want absolute control of government! Hmmmmm. Seems very familiar.
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby basil_hayden » Mon 08 Aug 2011, 10:18:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', '
')I mentioned the meds because you're trying to place blame on one group at one time, when it has been a collective group of both Democrats and Republicans in every level of government over the last 50 years that placed us in the predicament we're in now. But next election cycle, 98% of voters will still vote for a Democrat or a Republican.

It's a country full of traitors and terrorists.


To be fair don't forget that local election committees tend to be dominated by Democrats and Republicans and they block third party candidates from the ballot. Nader got sabotaged this way in 2008. It's not surprising that 40% actually bother to vote. The majority votes with their feet for "none of the above". That's my optimistic spin on it anyway. Maybe the 60% are to all too lazy to lift a finger.


Very true, dis, and I find I oscillate between "why bother" and the independent/green party candidates. Perhaps fixing the local machine is the way to straighten out this mess we're in, or making a non-vote count. A vote for no one (D or R) is a vote for sanity and would probably win every election until common sense is restored.
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 08 Aug 2011, 10:51:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', '.')..Calling Obama a traitor for getting stuck with trillions in debt left to him by Republicans, on the other hand, well, that's just common sense.


DId you somehow miss that Obama just raised the debt ceiling another 2.4 TRILLION dollars last week?....and that is on top of the 4 trillion dollars of new debt that Obama has generated in three years in office?
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby careinke » Mon 08 Aug 2011, 12:13:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'W')hat is it with these Fox-network tools anyway?

They have the least education, income, savings, and future and the most to loose when the wealthy (from the right or left, who gives a f#ck) concentrate it all into their foreign bank accounts. These tea-party stooges take the side of their oppressors and do all their dirty work. Dumb bulbs. What would Marx have to say? No really. How do they fit in?


Way to win the hearts and minds of the voting public. Keep it up, I'm sure it will help you win the next election. Remember (almost) 50% of the people have an IQ lower than 100, but they still get to vote. :shock:
And hence teabagger stooges.

But WTF? I'm not running for office.


Hence the math challenged Dims.
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby Timo » Mon 08 Aug 2011, 12:26:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', '.')..Calling Obama a traitor for getting stuck with trillions in debt left to him by Republicans, on the other hand, well, that's just common sense.


DId you somehow miss that Obama just raised the debt ceiling another 2.4 TRILLION dollars last week?....and that is on top of the 4 trillion dollars of new debt that Obama has generated in three years in office?
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The bills for the Iraq War came due. Again, offset the timetable for dealing with reality until it falls on someone else's shoulders. Pin the blame on him. Take back control, and run up more debts. Repeat. Obama has no choice but to play the cards that were left to him BY REPUBLICANS!!!!
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Re: Communist Traitor in the White House

Unread postby highlander » Mon 08 Aug 2011, 18:52:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'O')bama is a corporate Lap Dog pure and simple. He is 100% not a communist. Tax the poor to give to the rich. That is not Communism.

Ech, you are mistaken.
Look on NK:
tax starve the poor and give feed the rich.

That is where socialism/communism leads:
High rank commies have food and others starve.
Communism is a sort of feudalism where there is a permanent system induced shortage of basic goods, regardless of ability to produce these.
Mob is starving or barely surviving and commies are getting fat.

So if a capitalist plutocrat is trying to impress woman, he will show a Lamborghini car, private jet, mansion and a luxury yacht.
On the other hand a Commie will show some scrap of pork (denied for mob) and a lipstick smuggled from rotten West.


If you had bothered to read Marx, you would understand why attempting to configure a socialised economy in an incompletely globalised capitalism is wasted effort. For one thing, the potential for corruption is very high, as it is with capitalist parliamentarism for example (read Lenin on the paradox of parliamentarianism's rise and the failure of the commons).

A theory, in other words, that delineates the eventual failure of capitalism and precisly why it will fail as well as all the risks that lie in between in the:

1 Removal of all barriers to capital:
2 The return to neo-feudalism in worker conditions:
3 The continued betrayal by a false intelligensia quickly absorbed by the capitalist ranks in failed attempts at premature socialisation within nation states:
4 The eventual domination of all thought by the capitalist in a manner not dissimilar to the kings of olde (the divine rights of kings?)
5 The complete elimination of the state as the mode for mediating the affairs of and services within geographic regions;
6 The emergence of a truly global capitalist class, at once, sharing common values and yet, in a constant state of competiton leading to the emergence of brute capitalism and high speculation;
7 The eventual emergence of a global labour awareness from the ashes of utter destitution as each generation is repeatedly betrayed by an inflammable mix of theocratics, nationalists, social democrats, fascists, nazis and other assorted fronts for continued accumulation by the elite.

These are historic givens just as the French Revolution and the toppling of the French nobility accompanied the emergence of bourgeoisie social economy worldwide and what we are witnessing is the natural flow of time and society. To this call a nationalist, a communist in the midst of this process, especially from one of the supporters of the architects of the emerging globalism, points to how deep is the indoctrination. To then argue that NK is an example of the elitism inherent in a theory on historic social-economy (it is just a theory, not some crazy nutjob conspiracy on how to become a billionaire by formenting a revolution for economic equality) also confirms how complete is the ignorance.



If you put down your stupid philosophy books and looked around you at basic human nature, you would realize why 'isms never work. they are typically administered by greedy jerks, aka people.
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Re: Traitor in the White House

Unread postby highlander » Mon 08 Aug 2011, 19:01:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', '.')..Calling Obama a traitor for getting stuck with trillions in debt left to him by Republicans, on the other hand, well, that's just common sense.


DId you somehow miss that Obama just raised the debt ceiling another 2.4 TRILLION dollars last week?....and that is on top of the 4 trillion dollars of new debt that Obama has generated in three years in office?
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The bills for the Iraq War came due. Again, offset the timetable for dealing with reality until it falls on someone else's shoulders. Pin the blame on him. Take back control, and run up more debts. Repeat. Obama has no choice but to play the cards that were left to him BY REPUBLICANS!!!!



give the R & D crap a rest. Look at the "bipartisan" recommendations. Neither party will quit spending money until they are forced to. We can't mak ethem stop until we get togather as free citizens and vote the entire political class out of office and keep doing it until we have real leadership, not a bunch o party hacks.
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