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THE Transition Phase Thread Pt. 2 (merged)
Re: Transition towns
by Ludi » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 11:33:41
That's quite a carbon footprint you have.
Have fun burning the planet!
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Re: Transition towns
by Revi » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 11:56:35
We'll see how far transition towns get us. We're headed into uncharted territory.
It's an idea of how to deal with what's coming in a more organized way.
I agree, however that most of us are going to be caught unaware.
Even those of us who know some of what's going on don't know what to do most of the time. Will there be inflation or deflation in 2010?
I think Transition is a bit like admitting that we can't do much at a state or national level, so it's time to focus on our towns.
It's an idea of how to deal with what's coming in a more organized way.
I agree, however that most of us are going to be caught unaware.
Even those of us who know some of what's going on don't know what to do most of the time. Will there be inflation or deflation in 2010?
I think Transition is a bit like admitting that we can't do much at a state or national level, so it's time to focus on our towns.
Deep in the mud and slime of things, even there, something sings.
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Re: Transition towns
by Ludi » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 12:01:09
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'w')ho know some of what's going on don't know what to do most of the time. Will there be inflation or deflation in 2010?
Removing oneself as much as possible from the system (by engaging in the Sharing or Gift Economy) would mostly solve concern over those two possibilities. It seems quite possible to confidently walk away from the system no matter what might happen, if one has made the resolve to do so. Following resolve with action is the hard part.
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Re: Transition towns
by Revi » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 12:17:38
I agree, but it's hard to remove myself from the economic system. We have a lot of our home economy in the gift/barter system, but the town wants cash for taxes and we are still working. I could see how we could slip into an almost cash free economy as things get worse though.
I think a local currency could become very useful in the advent of hyperinflation. You could still use your "localbucks" to get a haircut or a pound of squash, even if the national currency has lost it's usefulness.
I think a local currency could become very useful in the advent of hyperinflation. You could still use your "localbucks" to get a haircut or a pound of squash, even if the national currency has lost it's usefulness.
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Re: Transition towns
by Ludi » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 14:22:15
Yes, property taxes do require one to make some money, but it's generally a pretty small amount compared to what's needed for, say, health insurance. 
I'm going to try to reduce my need to earn still further this year, but there's still some things I need to buy to improve the home place.
I'm going to try to reduce my need to earn still further this year, but there's still some things I need to buy to improve the home place.
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Re: Transition towns
by shortonsense » Sat 02 Jan 2010, 14:45:39
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'W')e'll see how far transition towns get us. We're headed into uncharted territory.
It's an idea of how to deal with what's coming in a more organized way.
It's an idea of how to deal with what's coming in a more organized way.
Do you realize the size of the implication you have inserted into this statement, possibly on purpose, possibly not?
What is coming?
The entire world effectively revolves around the answer to that question. I recognize what some of the common beliefs are in this particular forum as the answer to that question....I also can read back through the archives and determine what was the expected answer to that question no more than a few years back.
The answer has changed...even around here.
And one of the possible answers is...nothing. Nothing is coming. Certainly our post peak world, now +5, hasn't worked out quite as well as imagined.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('revi', '
')I agree, however that most of us are going to be caught unaware.
I think Transition is a bit like admitting that we can't do much at a state or national level, so it's time to focus on our towns.
I think Transition is similar to the communes of the 60's, where unhappiness, expressed more against political events then, which led people to the same desire to leave the old, established world behind in the hopes that the grass is greener elsewhere.
I liked communes back in the 60's and 70's, have an Uncle who still participates. Great guy. If Transition towns make people happy, I say do it! How about a PO.com transition town on a dispersed basis? Like distributed computing done by SETI, we could sign up members, put aside a little forum where they could talk about how to educate the unwashed masses, what they've done during the week, measure the improvement in their CO2 emissions, or lack thereof? Keep score, see who is "transitioning" the best? Sort of like what Peakoiler did with his gasoline and heating/cooling spreadsheets? Or how Pup runs the oil price thread? Declare a winner each year, Most improved, Most improvement by a Newby, Most original idea to stop emitting CO2?
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