[Cool Hand Linc]

Solyent Green is the perfect food source. It is derived from a resource that grazes on many different things. It seeks its own food sources. Takes care of its young for you. Birthing and reproduction and all that, and raising the young to get by on its own. Its really the prefect food source. Just keep harvesting!

Hey admin. Can you start a forum just for humor?

[Cool Hand Linc]

peanut butter keeps for months. Keep the soylent crackers fresh and you vould live for months and months after the crash!

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MissingLink', 'M')aybe we have already eatin people.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o... would you eat a person?

Let me ask instead this question.

How do you know that you have not already done so?

[Guest]

You forgot the REAL secret ingrediant of Soylent:

MSG.

[Such]

You, know post-peak... when biomass becomes all the rage... and we start puttin' grandma in there... I'm gonna be on the look out for Charlton Heston...

[Barbara]

...at last you'll get something from his cold dead hands!

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Barbara', '.')..at last you'll get something from his cold dead hands!

[jpatti]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'S')o... would you eat a person?

Let me ask instead this question.

How do you know that you have not already done so?

[duff_beer_dragon]

I heard of cannibal tribes dying out because they got forms of CJD ; I think it's specificly to do with eating the brains tho' that causes your own brain to go spongey and useless, not so sure if it's the muscled meats or sweatbreads and other organs.

I went vegetarian for years, tho' my folks and others tried to give me all kinds of abuse for wanting to do so - I reckon I was right, there was no organic food for sale then so all meats were dodgy. I'm angry tho' that the scumf*ck chipshops here in Scotland use animal fat in cooking, because they don't say that they do, so I think a lot of people who were avoiding meat may be inadvertently eating it if they eat stuff out of those kinds of places.

Went back to eating some organic meats and fish recently, but I think I'll give it up again as it definitely does feel like the way the animal was killed happens inside you and plays-out again using you, in an energy sense. It feels a bit like having to deal with the constant astral presence of some murdered innocent being.

Humans are disguisting, I'd never want to eat one. It's hard enough finding any worth spending time with so the last thing I'd want is to have them in my stomach, sick thinking about that......blergh

Soylent Green - good film that. Know what I hated when I saw it as a youngster? Earthquake - I thought it was really evil because Charlton Heston saved everyone and then he got killed.

[Marco]

Everytime I think about PO I think of Soylent Green (Heston's acting aside). I must get the movie out and watch it again. I think the movie is a good indication of what things might be like half-way down the slope.

Personally I think 'pedalling for power 'is a great campaign slogan-someone should use it. Too late for Kerry though.

I think I once heard an african quip that if God didn't want us to be cannibals- he wouldn't have made us out of meat. Charming, eh!

Does anyone really doubt that under extreme conditions people wont eat each other? We all look on appalled at how some people treat each other, and some of the historical practices of ancient times. Think Spartans leaving deformed children for the wolves.

Sure we would all be disgusted if we knew what went into half our food. Who of us then would opt for gruel right now? None-right. Wait until you are hungry enough and you may just change your minds.

Cheers

[BastardSquad]

HEY!!!!!

You all are cheesin off my quote!!!!!

Now stop that!!!!!

[Xsynergist]

This is interesting.

http://www.hero.ac.uk/uk/research/archives/2003/our_cannibal_chromosomes4520.cfm

And I don't know about the rest of you but if it comes down to survival I could eat a manimal.

I bet the small ones are the tenderest. What do you call them? Children, I think.

I read somewhere that the polynesians refered to man flesh as "Long Pig"
Being from Texas I know several wonderful ways to Pit Cook or rotissere a whole Pig carcass. Meat just falls off the bone.

I think my mouth is watering.

I think I also see a way to profit from this Peak Oil thing while helping with a little "demand reduction"

I'll bet you that hungry people don't ask too many questions about the meat in a chopped meat sandwich if the price is right.

One thing for sure. I'm gonna eat.

[pup55]

Sorry, but I had to do one more wacky dieoff model before moving on to conservation effects. I only want to do one social engineering model, because they are simplistic and spurious, because it is impossible to implement such things globally, and they never work, and it is really unpopular when people try it, but this particular one is danced around by both Kunstler and Heinberg and therefore is worth a look, just in case it crosses anybodys mind.

In this model, the young people are so mad at the old timers for consuming all of the resources and generally screwing up the planet that they decide to round up everyone over the age of X, and turn them into Soylent Green. The question is, at what age X will this be a successful strategy in terms of extending the oil supply and allowing the population to reach a sustainable level.

In the current path case, the base dieoff model, assuming a 2004 peak, no population control, and a Verhulst decline curve, the outcome was the exhaustion of reserves in 2076, with the world population at 5.79 billion. In this first case, the great roundup occurs today, and society continues to pump oil at the rate of 4.4 barrels per surviving person (the party-on strategy), so as to not force anyone to conserve. Extra investment in pumping is needed for a few years to defy the depletion curve temporarily.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'Model 1: "Soylent Green" enforced today.
age end of reserves Population
Current Path -- 2076 5.79
4.4 bbl/person 68 2048 7.16
4.4 bbl/person 60 2058 5.03
4.4 bbl/person 50 2078 3.22
4.4 bbl/person 40 2105 1.42
')
We learn from this that the break-even age is about 50, in other words, in order for the reserves to last any longer, at the 4.4 barrel per person (non conservation) rate, than they would have if we stayed on the current path, everyone over 50 would have to be rounded up. This, by the way, assumes that the elders consume as much energy per person as the youngers, and also, that the population is roughly evenly age-distributed.

Next, a sub-case. The maximum age is enforced in the year 2022. This year, which happens to be the year in which the film Soylent Green takes place, is (not coincidentally) when most of the baby boomers are elderly, and todays 20-year olds are 37, and capable of pushing them around, and also, if the model is right, when the going will really start to get tough if we keep on the current path. There are two alternatives: the party-on option, at which people continue to consume at the same rate of consumption as in 2022, and the let it be option, in which extraction is allowed to follow the Verhulst curve normally.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'Model 2: "Soylent Green" enforced in 2022
Pump Rate age end of reserves population
Current Path -- 2075 5.79

3.76 bbl/person 60 2058 6.40
3.76 bbl/person 50 2061 3.22
3.76 bbl/person 40 2066 1.42

verhulst 60 2076 4.21
verhulst 50 2076 3.63
verhulst 40 2076 2.93')

What we learn from this is that any attempt to extend oil supplies by getting rid of the elderly will fail unless it is done pretty soon. If the survivors choose to party on and oil consumption continues at the 3.76 barrel rate, by 2022 the population will have already grown to the extent that no amount of reduction will allow reserves to go on past where they are if nothing had been done besides stay on the current path. If the survivors choose to let extraction follow the curve downward, and conserve along the way as geology forces them to, the result will be the same reserves-wise, but the remaining population at the time the reserves run out will be considerably lower, perhaps liveably lower.

Related to this issue, you really should look at this link:
http://www.eces.org/articles/000133.php
which has some (to us) fairly radical things to say about medical care for the elderly, and what we now know as international relief efforts in terms of unnaturally extending the energy-consuming life of some of the population. This is probably worth a separate post in the general discussion forum because this is kind of an interesting area to explore in more detail and might get a rise out of some people.

[tmazanec1]

Reminds me of "Logan's Run".

[Ayoob_Reloaded]

You guys seen this movie lately? It's a scream! NYC with a population of 40 million, power practically nonexistent, strawberry jelly $150 a jar, it's a scream!
Charlton Heston taking a cigarette from a girl, taking a drag, and saying, "If I had the money, I'd smoke two, three of these a day!"
Hysterical.

[theshadypeach]

Yep. A grim outlook on the future. My relatives scoffed at the movie, mentioning it was propaganda for a 'zero growth' fad that was pushed by the Club of Rome. Just because the crash of civilization like in this movie didn't happen yet doesn't mean it never will.

Of course, wouldn't it be cheaper and to grow grain rather than to convert people into soylent green? It'd take more energy to raise people to eat them rather than to grow grain. It's like raising cattle, and uses many pounds of food for every pound of meat it produces.

[TrueKaiser]

guess what this is the exact fear you have to fight when you bring up peak oil.

[Such]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')f course, wouldn't it be cheaper and to grow grain rather than to convert people into soylent green? It'd take more energy to raise people to eat them rather than to grow grain. It's like raising cattle, and uses many pounds of food for every pound of meat it produces.

[Kingcoal]

I saw Soylent Green in the theater, to betray my age. Remember, "Soylent Green is people!"

[theshadypeach]

Is 'Soylent Green' (the people cracker itself) also some sort of symbolism?

The word 'green' connotates nature, so I guess devouring earth's resources is just like devouring ourselves?