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Bodman: An End to Ethanol Tariffs?

Unread postby Graeme » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 06:31:56

Bodman: An End to Ethanol Tariffs?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')nergy Secretary Samuel Bodman raised eyebrows with tantalizing comments about U.S. ethanol policy and a troubled carbon-capture project.

At a luncheon with biofuel industry executives hosted by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Mr. Bodman was asked about the prospects for extending tariffs on imported ethanol.

“I think this industry is pretty close to being able to stand on its own,” he said. President Bush’s budget proposal, due next week, “will start to deal with that question,” Mr. Bodman said, without further elaboration.


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Re: Bodman: An End to Ethanol Tariffs?

Unread postby dorlomin » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 08:14:50

When you have a $150 billion dollar stimulus package to borrow for, as those extra trimmings can look a little extravagant. Ethanol could be an extra trimming rather than an energy solution.
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Re: Bodman: An End to Ethanol Tariffs?

Unread postby mekrob » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 08:51:14

Good. Then maybe we won't be able to produce as much and thus food prices could take a nice dip or at least won't have such price hikes as we've been seeing.
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Re: US Energy Chief: Low Oil Production Driving High Price

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 21 Jun 2008, 13:29:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he U.S. energy secretary says insufficient oil production, not speculation, is driving soaring crude prices.

Secretary Samuel Bodman's comments Saturday on the eve of an energy summit in the Saudi port city of Jiddah set the stage for a showdown between the U.S. and conference host Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia has largely blamed speculation in the oil markets for the record prices.

Bodman says oil production has not kept pace with growing demand for oil, especially from developing countries like China and India.


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This is a big admission- world oil demand outstripping world oil supply. Exactly the opposite of what OPEC has been claiming.


The Bush administration has been saying that for quite a while. Don't you remember Bush going to Saudi and asking them to increase production earlier this year?

Unfortunately, the dems who control Congress, Sen. Obama, and the Saudis still all blame evil speculators.
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Re: US Energy Chief: Low Oil Production Driving High Price

Unread postby joe1347 » Sat 21 Jun 2008, 15:12:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he U.S. energy secretary says insufficient oil production, not speculation, is driving soaring crude prices.

Secretary Samuel Bodman's comments Saturday on the eve of an energy summit in the Saudi port city of Jiddah set the stage for a showdown between the U.S. and conference host Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia has largely blamed speculation in the oil markets for the record prices.

Bodman says oil production has not kept pace with growing demand for oil, especially from developing countries like China and India.


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This is a big admission- world oil demand outstripping world oil supply. Exactly the opposite of what OPEC has been claiming.


The Bush administration has been saying that for quite a while. Don't you remember Bush going to Saudi and asking them to increase production earlier this year?

Unfortunately, the dems who control Congress, Sen. Obama, and the Saudis still all blame evil speculators.



Isn't fair to say that at least some percentage of the recent price spike is due to speculation? The Bush Admin as well as Israel have been threatening Iran with obliteration and certainly more than a few speculators might be willing to risk buying oil at todays $140 a barrel in the 'hope' of an attack on Iran which would almost certainly spike the price up to $200+ a barrel.
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Re: US Energy Chief: Low Oil Production Driving High Price

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sat 21 Jun 2008, 17:07:08

I dont think so joel.

You have to pay attention to the folks who take delivery of actual oil and then sell it to or use it in refineries. Its most of the oil traded on the markets. There are speculators, but in several links here recently its been proven that long and short speculators have a tendency to cancel each other out.

The bottom line is the markets are becoming introduced to the peak oil scenario and supply/demand will rule the roost. I do believe as time goes on more and more folks will be forced into realizing just what peak oil really means.
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Re: US Energy Chief: Low Oil Production Driving High Price

Unread postby DantesPeak » Sat 21 Jun 2008, 18:16:33

There is far far too much attention given to the role of speculators. Are speculators causing oil imports to fall from Nigeria, Mexico, Venezuela, and other places from which the US gets imports? Or is it maybe, just maybe, net imports are falling rapidly because oil exporters can't maintain their production levels? The US has to out bid other countries to replace the oil its losing, causing prices to rise.

It seems that most people just can't accept that the price to replace that lost oil is much higher than it was. What is the fair price for oil? Well who knows? But it must be higher than it is ever was before because the situation is worse than it ever was before.
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Re: US Energy Chief: Low Oil Production Driving High Price

Unread postby killJOY » Sat 21 Jun 2008, 18:23:40

Jeezum Pete.

I saw this article on Huffington Post, and when I began reading comments I realized why I am such a doomer.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')oly Christ, these people are shameless. Anyone notice that in the last quarter, world oil output grew by 2.5%, while demand only increased by 2%? Supply increased over demand, but the price rose 35%.

Yep, production's the problem.


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Re: US Energy Chief: Low Oil Production Driving High Price

Unread postby shortonoil » Sat 21 Jun 2008, 18:37:35

DantesPeak said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t seems that most people just can't accept that the price to replace that lost oil is much higher than it was.


It seems that people can not tolerate the simple concept that all extractive industries experience depletion. Oil is not any different. Over the years that I was in the consulting business I ran into this many times.

It is almost like our brains have not been naturally wired to hold these concepts. Maybe our ancestors never experienced rock and club depletion problems.
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Re: US Energy Chief: Low Oil Production Driving High Price

Unread postby charliehelyes » Sat 21 Jun 2008, 18:41:39

the bruce forsyth paradox shows that as as fields get older they get better thus allowing more oil to be produced
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Re: US Energy Chief: Low Oil Production Driving High Price

Unread postby newman1979 » Sat 21 Jun 2008, 20:16:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'T')here is far far too much attention given to the role of speculators. Are speculators causing oil imports to fall from Nigeria, Mexico, Venezuela, and other places from which the US gets imports? Or is it maybe, just maybe, net imports are falling rapidly because oil exporters can't maintain their production levels? The US has to out bid other countries to replace the oil its losing, causing prices to rise.


The Mexico situation is illustrative of what happens when a proven source drys up. With Mexican exports to the US down almost 40% in two years, the "lost imports" must be made up somewhere else. Nigeria, Angola and Canadian tar sands are probable suspects. Here it takes much more time, trouble, costs and risks to keep the inventories up. With Canadian tar sands, the oil quality is lower than the Mexican loss which has the same issues except risk.
This dynamic is multiplied in all countries that lose sources of oil imports.
Added to the EROEI problems of non conventional oil production and deep sea extraction, oil wars, currency losses, and geopolitical issues, oil prices actually are not particularly speculative to the high side, but rather price is speculative to the short side.
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Re: US Energy Chief: Low Oil Production Driving High Price

Unread postby TheDude » Sat 21 Jun 2008, 20:36:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'J')eezum Pete.

I saw this article on Huffington Post, and when I began reading comments I realized why I am such a doomer.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')oly Christ, these people are shameless. Anyone notice that in the last quarter, world oil output grew by 2.5%, while demand only increased by 2%? Supply increased over demand, but the price rose 35%.

Yep, production's the problem.


America slowly loses its mind.


Trying to register. You're right, the naivety on display there is pretty stunning.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou know it is really strange to hear corporate sycophants in the government talking about "low productioin".

I'm not having any problem getting gas. Is anybody else having a problem. Everything seems to be just fine around here.
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