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Re: Trade War Developing/Mexico Imposes Tariffs on the US

Unread postby the48thronin » Tue 17 Mar 2009, 22:54:36

If the USA and Canada put tarrifs on Mexican manufactured goods to deny the benefits of $4.75 a day slave labor, the only jobs left in Mexico will be as hit men for the drug lords in a month.
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Re: Trade War Developing/Mexico Imposes Tariffs on the US

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 17 Mar 2009, 23:18:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'I')f the USA and Canada put tarrifs on Mexican manufactured goods to deny the benefits of $4.75 a day slave labor, the only jobs left in Mexico will be as hit men for the drug lords in a month.



That's exactly the only accomplished objective of the US military occupation of Afghanistan. Interesting coincidence! Create more drug lords and hit men. Now why would anyone do that? Money, maybe?

Hmmm ... if anyone competes with our action they end up like Noriega, if they're lucky. If they try to stop the action, well look out. Then they end up very unlucky... like the Taliban.

This Mexico squabble will be interesting to watch, that's for sure. Especially next year when net oil revenue ceases.
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Mexico slaps additional tariffs on 90 US products

Unread postby Ache » Tue 17 Mar 2009, 23:36:20

Mexico Slaps U.S. With $2.4 Billion Tariffs on 90 Products

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Mexico slapped the United States with $2.4 billion worth of tariffs on 90 unnamed industrial and agricultural products. The move comes in retaliation after the U.S. Congress cancelled a pilot program that would allow a handful of Mexican truckers to deliver goods throughout the U.S.

According to Gerardo Ruiz Mateos, Mexico’s Economy Minister, the tariffs are allowed under the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). “We consider this action by the United States to be wrong, protectionist and clearly in violation of the treaty,” Ruiz Mateos added.

Mexico’s actions might be coming at one of the worst times in the U.S.’ economic history. In January, exports from the U.S. to the world fell 12.5% from the month prior. Since August the figure has plummeted 33.45%. To Mexico alone, that figure has fallen to levels last seen in Jul. 2005 or by 34% since August.

U.S.’ southern neighbor might be hurting itself too. Mexico’s Peso has tanked after hitting a 6-year high against the U.S. Dollar of 9.85 on Aug. 04th. It reached an all-time low only three days ago of 15.58. Such a violent change in price will make it more expensive for Mexicans to purchase goods produced north of its border. But with the enactment of such tariffs, the inflationary pressure felt from Peso weakness will only be exacerbated. Thus the new trade policy may actually prove to hurt Mexico as much as it does the United States.
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Re: Mexico slaps additional tariffs on 90 US products

Unread postby lowem » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 03:47:06

A tarrif here, a tariff there, pretty soon they all add up and you get, what, a trade war or something?
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Mexico to start importing crude oil, first time in decades

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 30 Aug 2010, 15:49:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')EXICO CITY (MNI) - Mexico's state oil company Pemex will begin importing crude oil for the first time in decades after watching the markets for the best moment to buy, Pemex Director General Juan Jose Suarez said Tuesday.

Suarez told local radio that Pemex is concluding the analysis of how different mixtures on the market react in the country's refineries, and will wait for an opportunity to buy, making the plan seem much more definite than it did only a day earlier.

"We will be watching for opportunities, and when they come, we will carry out" the import, Suarez said in an interview with Radio Formula.

Suarez told reporters at an energy event Monday that Pemex was considering importing crude to increase the profitability of Mexico's refineries.

Imports would only represent 3% of the total crude produced by Mexico, Suarez added.

He said it is not a question of having enough domestic crude, since output has remained steady at 2.59 million bpd this year from 2.6 million bpd last year, but mixing the lighter imported crude rich in gasoline together with Mexico's heavier grade crude, the refinery process will be more profitable, Suarez said.

"Our type of crude has changed for some time because we stopped producing what we used to produce in Cantarell," Suarez said, refering to the nation's huge aging oil field. "Our refining system produces less gasoline with our crude."
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So has the quality of crude coming out of Cantarell changed, and that's why they need to import lighter crude to mix with it?
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Re: Mexico to start importing crude oil, first time in decad

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 31 Aug 2010, 19:23:04

Maybe I am confused but IIRC Cantarell produces heavy sweet so they might need more sweet to offset the sulfur in their current mix?
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Re: Mexico to start importing crude oil, first time in decad

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 31 Aug 2010, 19:47:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'M')aybe I am confused but IIRC Cantarell produces heavy sweet so they might need more sweet to offset the sulfur in their current mix?


I don't know, was hoping those more expert on oil matters would chime in on this.

Anyway, it just seems to me they must be running out of some kind of crude because they're going to start importing 3%. Something must have changed between the past few decades and now, with them needing to import all of the sudden.
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Re: Mexico to start importing crude oil, first time in decad

Unread postby dolanbaker » Tue 31 Aug 2010, 20:37:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'M')aybe I am confused but IIRC Cantarell produces heavy sweet so they might need more sweet to offset the sulfur in their current mix?


I don't know, was hoping those more expert on oil matters would chime in on this.

Anyway, it just seems to me they must be running out of some kind of crude because they're going to start importing 3%. Something must have changed between the past few decades and now, with them needing to import all of the sudden.

The way I read it (not in the oil industry BTW) is that the refinaries are configured to take a certain type of oil, when the oil inputted is outside of this specification the refinary will have difficulties processing it, so they need to import more "sweet" oil to enable the refinaries to function. Perhaps the cost of reconfiguring the refinaries to process the locally available oil is too high, or uneconomic as the life of the fields is too short!
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Re: Mexico to start importing crude oil, first time in decad

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 02 Sep 2010, 00:33:26

You know what's funny about this? I predicted this way back in April, 2008.

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Re: Mexico to start importing crude oil, first time in decad

Unread postby pana_burda » Wed 06 Oct 2010, 23:09:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Sixstrings » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:47 am

Tanada wrote:
Maybe I am confused but IIRC Cantarell produces heavy sweet so they might need more sweet to offset the sulfur in their current mix?

I don't know, was hoping those more expert on oil matters would chime in on this.


mmmm ..... not sure but, from my viewpoint, if they do chime in, they won`t say it is because of political problems rather than the technical issues being insinuated so far.
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1st Time in 70 Years, Mexico to Allow Private Oil Drilling

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Wed 08 Dec 2010, 12:14:58

Details to come....
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Re: 1st Time in 70 Years, Mexico to Allow Private Oil Drilli

Unread postby Lore » Wed 08 Dec 2010, 12:18:47

Or in other words; "Sombody help me,... please!"
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Re: 1st Time in 70 Years, Mexico to Allow Private Oil Drilli

Unread postby Buggy » Wed 08 Dec 2010, 12:38:22

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Re: 1st Time in 70 Years, Mexico to Allow Private Oil Drilli

Unread postby Questionmark » Wed 08 Dec 2010, 14:54:10

Who's going to risk drilling in Mexico with a war going on down there?
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Re: 1st Time in 70 Years, Mexico to Allow Private Oil Drilli

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 08 Dec 2010, 14:59:42

Canterell has dried up. They need a new supergiant and fast. Too bad the likelyhood of that is about nil.

Time for the US to prepare for a total failed state on it's borders. Mexico doesn't have a replacement revenue source and the oil pretty much paid for everything.
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Re: 1st Time in 70 Years, Mexico to Allow Private Oil Drilli

Unread postby Questionmark » Wed 08 Dec 2010, 15:24:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Questionmark', 'W')ho's going to risk drilling in Mexico with a war going on down there?
The "war" is in part a consequence of Mexican oil field decline. 40% of Mexican government revenue came from the state-owned petroleum industry. Another cause of the current "war" is the continuing demise of the maquiladoras, Mexican/US border NAFTA free-trade zones that drew impoverished Mexican and Central Americans north. Now that those jobs have been outsourced to China, drug bidness has replacement sweat-shop slavery as employment of choice.


I don't see why you put war in quotes.

http://projects.latimes.com/mexico-drug-war/#/its-a-war

With ~30k dead in three years and the federal government losing control over several regions I would say it classifies as a real full blown war.
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Re: 1st Time in 70 Years, Mexico to Allow Private Oil Drilli

Unread postby Questionmark » Wed 08 Dec 2010, 15:52:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Questionmark', 'I') don't see why you put war in quotes.
Because it is a metaphors. The preferred definition is $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a') state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations
By calling failed drug policy a "war" allows victims to be reclassified as the "enemy." The violence the border is just more of the same, failed twenty-five year-old "war on drug" initiated by Ronne Raygun, justified by the dumb Christian Right, that enriches dealers, police departments, corrupt politicians, lawyers, and media pundits.

It would be more accurate to call ghetto violence rebellion, anarchy, or just plain crime.


I see it more as a civil war. It's organized and on too large a scale to be considered random acts of crime or violence. It isn't anarchy, the country is being torn apart by several competing powers. The conflict is between several clearly defined powers.
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