[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'H')ippies are, I think, spawned only in an environment of abundance, peace, and security - like America in the 1960's.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')he blimmin hippies are a bunch of dole bludgers mate...stop the dole and see how long the buggers last.

[dbruning]

Far out, Man....

....someone had to say it

[keehah]

Mad Max perdition or Hippy Utopia?

Are we not really using these words as slang short-cuts for male and female archetypes? Of course we will need both in the future. And the current era of abundance could be used to describe civilization as feminized, as the pendulum swings, for a time the male archetype will rule. Hopefully time will allow a more balanced future.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'H')ippies are, I think, spawned only in an environment of abundance, peace, and security - like America in the 1960's.

[Eli]

I don't think that is correct at all.
Kent State comes to mind right off the bat.
There was nothing peaceful going on at all during the 60s.
There were a lot of people that were worried that we were going to delve into civil war. And plenty of middle class white kids thought that it was time for a serious change.
No one wanted to go to Vietnam not the poor underclass and definitely not the white middle class. That was the cool thing about being a hippie it didn't matter if you were a Rockefeller or a pauper it was all cool.

[bshirt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'I') don't think that is correct at all.
No one wanted to go to Vietnam not the poor underclass and definitely not the white middle class. That was the cool thing about being a hippie it didn't matter if you were a Rockefeller or a pauper it was all cool.

[bshirt]

pstarr: Nahhh...more like a flashback.
While "hippies" will never be my favorite class of people I'll grudgingly admit they were right about a number of things.....
1. They distrusted the Fed govn.
2. They distrusted any level of govn bureaucracy (city, county, state, fed).
3. They were opponents of the current hamster wheel American lifestyle.
4. They liked to have fun.
So, time heals all wounds and they had their day under the sun. Like you previously said, there is no more hippies. The early 70's was it for them...

[Roccland]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ver hear of the draft?

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kevincarter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RdSnt', '.').., and the hippies evolved into the most greed filled, wasteful generation that has ever been seen.

[TheDude]

Bring on the subcultures!







I still insist the only people that will pull through a real severe crash will be viable communities of one kind or another. Even Mad Max had those biker gangs after all. No one can do everything - mend/make shoes, clothing, hunt, tend a garden/crops, forge/repair tools.

Communes have failed in the recent past mostly because there's a whole world of alternatives for people to turn to; also the need to turn to the outside world for necessities, i.e., money. Small towns in the past have relied on the outside but to a much lesser extent than is the case now. In a world where shipping is severely curtailed people won't have any choice but to become self-sufficient, or starve.

Having grown up in a tiny town (ca. 300 people) I can testify how provincial they are, if you ever had any doubts. We were (and still are) basically at eternal loggerheads with the hifaultin tax happy jerks in the county seat - population ca. 1200. You know, the big city...you could liken that to living in a commune on some levels. Communes and communities aren't the same, though. No one in my town was pulling a Manson, they were just stubborn sons a bitches.
They did what they needed to be done, and some people in town you relied on for certain jobs - my Dad used to fix wells for people, for instance.

Communes mostly repel me because they're full of spaced out nitwits who say things like "cooperation and heartfelt communication will be as essential as food and water in a post-collapse world." You ain't from around here, are ya?

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', ' ')"cooperation and heartfelt communication will be as essential as food and water in a post-collapse world." You ain't from around here, are ya?

[KevO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', ' ')"cooperation and heartfelt communication will be as essential as food and water in a post-collapse world." You ain't from around here, are ya?

[Kilgore_Trout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'T')he future will be more like the movie Brazil, where the Buttles pay for what Tuttle was up to.Brazil movie
The tubes, hoses, wires and ducts everywhere in that movie are so cool.

[Kilgore_Trout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mircea', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ebyss', 'I') might also add that Native Americans were stone age hunter gatherers until the arrival of Columbus and the conqiustadors.

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kilgore_Trout', 'h')ere's a european stone age dwelling. looks pretty familiar to those who have seen some of the dwellings in mesa verde, eh? So europe's stone age people and the americas' stone age people were on an equal footing anyway....

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kilgore_Trout', ' ')uh... sorry but stone age is exactly, literally what they were. If your best tools are made of knapped stone and bone, you are stone age.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'P')eople often forget that the tribes of Europe went through the same process of being borged by the machine as the tribes of America.
It just happened earlier and is less documented.
We're all Indians.

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'P')eople often forget that the tribes of Europe went through the same process of being borged by the machine as the tribes of America.
It just happened earlier and is less documented.
We're all Indians.