PeakOil is You
THE Mad Max Scenario Thread (merged)
by MicroHydro » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 23:38:30
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'I') expect the worst as Peak Oil's privations hit
Agree. In NZ/Aotearoa, more than half of schoolchildren will be Maori or Pacific Islander by 2050. This is fine, since Aotearoa was Polynesian to begin with. But if peak oil is handled poorly and racial tensions re-emerge, the Maori wars could begin anew.
"The world is changed... I feel it in the water... I feel it in the earth... I smell it in the air... Much that once was, is lost..." - Galadriel
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by I_Like_Plants » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 03:09:26
Probably the best models are the US and German and European experiences in the Great Depression.
The Road To Wigan Pier by George Orwell is a good read, books about the Great Depression and anything you can find about it that's not romanticized, which it tends to be in the US, and experiences by Germans, English, French, etc in general.
The Great Depression came on rather suddenly, but not super-suddenly like a comet striking or something. A Peak Oil depression or collapse is likely to "come on" with about the same speed. I know there are experiences from amazing gentility and altruism to the forced deportation of a million or more Hispanics from the US, the whole Weimar/nazi business in Germany, the rise of the Fascists (silver shirts) and socialists/communists in the US, the benevolence of FDR at least to some extent he was, programs like the WPA and pogroms too.
The Great Depression, since it really happened, is probably more worth studying than a lot of what-ifs. Reality tends to have more imagination than we do.
The Road To Wigan Pier by George Orwell is a good read, books about the Great Depression and anything you can find about it that's not romanticized, which it tends to be in the US, and experiences by Germans, English, French, etc in general.
The Great Depression came on rather suddenly, but not super-suddenly like a comet striking or something. A Peak Oil depression or collapse is likely to "come on" with about the same speed. I know there are experiences from amazing gentility and altruism to the forced deportation of a million or more Hispanics from the US, the whole Weimar/nazi business in Germany, the rise of the Fascists (silver shirts) and socialists/communists in the US, the benevolence of FDR at least to some extent he was, programs like the WPA and pogroms too.
The Great Depression, since it really happened, is probably more worth studying than a lot of what-ifs. Reality tends to have more imagination than we do.
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by Doly » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 06:15:24
I personally think that the oil crisis of the 70s, because it's closer, it's a better model for the first stages of peak oil.
And I'm certain that punk was pretty much a consequence of the oil crisis. I am expecting some of the worst teenagers in history coming quite soon. They've grown up as spoilt children, with not enough self-discipline due to lack of attention from their overworked parents, and they will find out that the party is over just when they were expecting to party the hardest. They won't like it. They will blame their parents (correctly, at that). They will be destructive and negative.
But I doubt they'll be able to bring about Armageddon.
And I'm certain that punk was pretty much a consequence of the oil crisis. I am expecting some of the worst teenagers in history coming quite soon. They've grown up as spoilt children, with not enough self-discipline due to lack of attention from their overworked parents, and they will find out that the party is over just when they were expecting to party the hardest. They won't like it. They will blame their parents (correctly, at that). They will be destructive and negative.
But I doubt they'll be able to bring about Armageddon.
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by RonMN » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 07:39:05
Not armageddon...but if i was in L.A. after the rodney king police trials...i sure would have wanted a gun!!!
For a short while after PO really hits...That's what i think we'll all be dealing with.
For a short while after PO really hits...That's what i think we'll all be dealing with.
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by Ludi » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 07:45:22
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'N')ot armageddon...but if i was in L.A. after the rodney king police trials...i sure would have wanted a gun!!!
For a short while after PO really hits...That's what i think we'll all be dealing with.
For a short while after PO really hits...That's what i think we'll all be dealing with.
Yep, it was truly scary.
One of the reasons we moved away from LA. Riots and earthquakes, two of the reasons...
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by Sys1 » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 07:59:39
This kind of violence oftens comes from lonely people, having the feeling they are useless in an individual society where they don't stand a chance.
After peak oil, we will have to help each other in order to survive. Peak oil is the death of selfish and capitalism. I mean, we could be surprised.
It happens that solidarity emerges from difficulties...
Actually, i'm more afraid about the way our brillant politicians and economists will behave. They won't hesitate to kill billions in order to preserve ''the unnegotiable way of life'' they prone for decades.
After peak oil, we will have to help each other in order to survive. Peak oil is the death of selfish and capitalism. I mean, we could be surprised.
It happens that solidarity emerges from difficulties...
Actually, i'm more afraid about the way our brillant politicians and economists will behave. They won't hesitate to kill billions in order to preserve ''the unnegotiable way of life'' they prone for decades.
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by I_Like_Plants » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 20:10:09
there are many many many many many..... many studies showing higher testosterone levels in blacks. Some backing for theories that whites are evolving towards fewer children, care for 'em better, white males a bit more feminized, and blacks more children, care for 'em less well just make a lot of 'em, and males more masculinized.
The testosterone studies also show lower levels in Asians than whites, with whites in the middle.
Then there are cultural factors and abundant evidence that if you give whites the same experiences as blacks, you get the same results regarding violence, or worse. Best place to get field notes is in a trailer park in Apache Junction, Arizona. Extra points if you come back alive. The white lower class is really as bad as it gets, and as I've pointed out to an acquaintence talking about "black thugs" that go to hip-hop concerts he'd to the sound for, at least said "thugs" take a shower once in a while.
The testosterone studies also show lower levels in Asians than whites, with whites in the middle.
Then there are cultural factors and abundant evidence that if you give whites the same experiences as blacks, you get the same results regarding violence, or worse. Best place to get field notes is in a trailer park in Apache Junction, Arizona. Extra points if you come back alive. The white lower class is really as bad as it gets, and as I've pointed out to an acquaintence talking about "black thugs" that go to hip-hop concerts he'd to the sound for, at least said "thugs" take a shower once in a while.
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by shortonoil » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 20:11:43
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hoplite', 'W')hy are blacks so violent?
Everything thing that we know, and more importantly, the way we think is a form of cultural inheritance. This is because the linkages that we use (relationships) to form thought concepts from the slivers of memories that we retain, come almost exclusively from our environment, immediate and social. It is a very rare person who questions how they think and then develop very many of their own memory relationships. Violence in a society is a learned behavioral pattern that is carried on generation after generation because of the transfer of these relationships from generation to generation. It is how we think, not necessarily what we think, that has brought us to the dismal situation in which we find our species.
To change our eons old patterns of self inflicted pain and destruction we will have to seriously review and modify our entire thinking process!
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by lawnchair » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 20:35:22
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sys1', 'T')his kind of violence oftens comes from lonely people, having the feeling they are useless...
Well, the malaise part I can understand. But the gang-bangers around here (of all races) aren't the lonely people. They tend to know lots and lots of people and spend nearly all their time being social. Dysfunctionally social (from my perspective), yes, but extremely social, at least in their clan. When you talk of the 'solidarity that emerges from difficulties', the solidarity that emerges may look an awful lot like violent street gangs.
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