[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'R')ock, of course it will have an impact. It already is.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'R')ock, of course it will have an impact. It already is.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', ' ') The KXL was a non starter from the beginning that offered us and the environment nothing other than to further enrich the pockets of the few wealthy.

[Apneaman]

planty, you are a slow learner too. Here is the perfect opportunity to finally clue in, a perfect example that the left-right thing is a complete farce, intentionally overblown, propagandized, manipulated and managed all for the benefit of the real PTB. Divide and rule 101. It don't matter who is in the white house. Apes with "beliefs " and "worldviews" are easy to manage. They got a playbook for both Libtards and Conservatards. It's clear as day once you emotionally detach yourself from the tribe and it's prefabricated list of issues and beliefs you must adhere to.

BTW cog, there are thousands of blue collar rail workers lauding Obama as the working man's hero today - probably have been for awhile. I'm betting plenty of new hires and overtime the last 5 years for them railyard boys. Bet they'll be reminded who "did them a solid" come election time too. Sure they did;) Bet some Nebraska farmers and ranchers (not exactly bleeding heart liberals) are happy to hear that no pipe line will be running over their water sources. Is anyone really suprised that 350.org would not latch on and claim victory? Anytime one of the sheeples tribes gets a so called victory, it's always because it coincides with a powerful interests. Last winter we had net neutrality hailed as a victory for privacy for the little guy. BS it's what Google and some other heavy hitters wanted. Any benefit to the sheep were coincidental. Same with the guns - nothing to do with "freedom". Just money and effective lobbying/bribing.


“Rail transport has expanded greatly to carry oil sands to the United States — soaring from just 16,000 barrels in 2010 to 51.2 million barrels in 2014 before dropping back somewhat so far this year.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... -concerns/

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Apneaman', '
')“Rail transport has expanded greatly to carry oil sands to the United States — soaring from just 16,000 barrels in 2010 to 51.2 million barrels in 2014 before dropping back somewhat so far this year.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... -concerns/

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', ' ') The KXL was a non starter from the beginning that offered us and the environment nothing other than to further enrich the pockets of the few wealthy.

[efarmer]

This is about how the Tar Baby rides when he travels, D choo choo, R via pipeline, when he
is not grounded in Alberta by some big valves in Saudi.

The real environmental issues and passions are valid but the politics is just about who gets
the ticket money when the Tar Baby travels.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'w')e need to get rid of most of the oil trains too!

[Lore]

Well, for one thing the oil trains were already running. It's easier to kill something before it starts then to end a way of doing things that have already been implemented.

Had we not used fossil fuels to begin with we wouldn't be having this discussion. Old habits are hard to break.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'W')ell, for one thing the oil trains were already running.

[dohboi]

http://priceofoil.org/2015/11/06/how-th ... -symbolic/

How the Keystone XL Decision is Neither “Irrelevant” Nor “Just Symbolic”

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he rejection of Keystone XL today marks a turning point for energy decisions: in future, policymakers will be under pressure to consider climate impacts of any new policies and infrastructure.

But it is not only setting a bar for future energy decisions: the climate impact of stopping this pipeline is real. Last week we released analysis finding that the existing pipelines out of Alberta are already 89% full:

if no more are built, tar sands production cannot grow.

[GHung]

Funny that Plant. Seems someone mentioned Buffet's trains and democrat supporters on the main thread:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')"BTW, Plant, a helluva lot of this oil moves on Warren Buffet’s trains. You really think Obama is going to piss off one of his biggest supporters, major benefactor of Democrat causes, and his 48,000+ BNSF employees? I’m not accusing you of being naive, but it surely seems that way."

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', 'e')h, Plant. You said; 'The whole oil train mess has grown and grown during the 7 years that Obama blocked the pipeline, until now we've got 3.4 million bbls/day of Canadian oil coming into the US, a good part of it on exploding oil trains."

....think the Republicans' strategy would have been any more environmentally friendly, all things considered?

[Synapsid]

Plantagenet,

Before going on further about most Canadian oil being exported by a huge fleet of exploding oil trains:

look up the volume and percentage of Canadian oil brought into the US by pipeline, and the volume and percentage brought in by rail.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Synapsid', 'l')ook up the volume and percentage of Canadian oil brought into the US by pipeline, and the volume and percentage brought in by rail.

[Sixstrings]

Some Canadian reaction, Liberal Party PM Trudeau says he is disappointed at O's decision, but respects it was the USA's right to make this decision.

(by the way, that Trudeau seems way too young and I saw him interviewed by a Canadian reporter and to be quite frank he doesn't seem to know anything. They were trying to ask him questions about the recession and deficit, and Trudeau just smiles a lot but doesn't really seem to know much..

Apparently before parliament, he tried being an "actor" and was also a "bungee instructor" for a while. He has a famous name, father being an an ex PM.)

So anyhow, Trudeau doesn't know what to say really about the pipeline because he just doesn't know about anything anyway much less the oil industry and much less even knowing about eco issues in any detail, or caring about that either. Trudeau seems like a young guy that smiles a lot and looks good on a magazine cover but that's about it, not much there there otherwise.

Even Canada's far left socialist party, the NDP, supports their oil industry.

NDP says climate change discussion should be "drama free" and rational when it comes to oil. NDP also blames Alberta's PM, saying if she had done a better job on climate change in other areas then the world would have a different view of Alberta and wouldn't be talking about the tar sands so much.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3635824/thumbs/o-RACHEL-NOTLEY-570.jpg?16[/img]
Alberta Premier Rachel Notley spoke to reporters after the U.S. president's decision.

Alberta Premier Rachel Notley said she was not surprised at the decision, but was disappointed by Obama’s description of the oilsands in her province.

“It was not necessary to be quite so critical in the way they described our energy product,” Notley told reporters. “The U.S. relies on our oil. They currently import already over 300-million barrels a day, and so I don’t think it is a particularly logical explanation for why they would reach this position.”

The premier from the center-left New Democratic Party stressed the need for “careful drama-free conversations” on energy infrastructure, but she also said Obama’s decision underlines the fact that Alberta needs to do a better of job of convincing the world of its genuine effort to combat climate change.

“The U.S. makes decisions on the basis of their internal domestic policies… but I do think that one thing that would have made this decision better was ensuring that our record was a better one.”

[ROCKMAN]

dohboi - Not approving the KXL permit was a win for the environment reflecting a change in policies??? You mean those policies that led to the expansion of pipeline capacity moving oil sands production (including moving across the border) into the US? You mean President Obama's public support of the building of the southern leg of KXL which removed the one big impediment to oil sands development: the choke point at Cushing, OK? Do you mean the govt policy of increasing the leasing of its westetn coal deposits??? Do you mean the policy of the govt behind its efforts to build new coal export terminals on the west coast? Do you mean the govt policy, under the leadership of our greenest POTUS, to expadite the approval of permits to expand the capacity of coal export facilities on the Texas coast? Do you mean the govt policy to offer over 100 million acreas of oil/NG leases in the GOM after one of the greatest offshore oil spills in history? Do you mean the POTUS's policy of approving every request for an exception to the US oil export "ban"? Exceptions that have allowed export rates of over 200 million bbls per year? And that includes the export of condensate to Canada which is required to pump oil sands production thru the pipeline systems? Do you mean the the govt policy of not just permitting but also promoting the export of refinery products made from almost 1 BILLION BBLS OF OIL PER YEAR? Do you mean the govt policy of providing funds to the single largest consumer of fossil fuels on the planet...the US Dept of Defense? IOW providing the budget for the single largest generator of GHG in the world?

Many more examples but I'll stop there. So you want to put up the policy of not permitting just this one pipeline segment that has had no impact on GHG production and climate change against this long yet incomplete list of policies I just highlighted? And that produces some sense of success for you? And should for all the greenies out there? Are their feelings of failure so severe they have to claim such an insignificant issue as a huge win?

One cannot but have great sympathy for them: to have lost almost every battle and yet continue to think they're winning the war. Reminds of the Japanese govt not surrendering after the first nuke exploded. The greenies shouldn't surrender, of course. But convincing the public they won a significant battle just reinforces to those same folks that matters are getting better and BAU will continue without problems.

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'h')ttp://priceofoil.org/2015/11/06/how-the-keystone-xl-decision-is-neither-irrelevant-nor-just-symbolic/

How the Keystone XL Decision is Neither “Irrelevant” Nor “Just Symbolic”

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he rejection of Keystone XL today marks a turning point for energy decisions: in future, policymakers will be under pressure to consider climate impacts of any new policies and infrastructure.

But it is not only setting a bar for future energy decisions: the climate impact of stopping this pipeline is real. Last week we released analysis finding that the existing pipelines out of Alberta are already 89% full:

if no more are built, tar sands production cannot grow.

[GHung]

Six posted the quote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lberta Premier Rachel Notley said she was not surprised at the decision, but was disappointed by Obama’s description of the oilsands in her province.

“It was not necessary to be quite so critical in the way they described our energy product,” Notley told reporters. “The U.S. relies on our oil. They currently import already over 300-million barrels a day, and so I don’t think it is a particularly logical explanation for why they would reach this position.”

[Cog]

The next Republican president will reverse this decision. So we will have trains AND a pipeline.

Cheers.