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Re: Economic casualties pile into tent cities

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 06 May 2009, 10:23:50

It's so sad these people have no friends or family! :(
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Re: Economic casualties pile into tent cities

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 06 May 2009, 10:26:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')t's so sad these people have no friends or family! :(



taht are willing to help........ :cry:
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Re: Economic casualties pile into tent cities

Unread postby Concerned » Wed 06 May 2009, 13:22:35

Perhaps some South Africans living in shanty towns can score some consulting gigs?

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Don't worry I am sure when the USD capitulates some sweat shop will pop up where this guy can work 16 hours a day with no benefits, well except for an early grave.
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Re: Economic casualties pile into tent cities

Unread postby Byron100 » Wed 06 May 2009, 13:44:01

If these people were smart, they'd band together and squat in some of the 1000's of vacant, foreclosed homes that have spread throughout Florida. Sure, they may be kicked out of these homes from time to time, but it'd not be hard to find others to move into...LOL.

Another idea for these folks is to become professional shoplifters - if you're stealthy enough (not to mention not getting caught!), it'd not be too difficult to score a couple hundred dollars of stuff a day. Easy work, no taxes to pay, and fun besides. :twisted:

And there's always the drug trade - lots of moola to be made there...hehe. And if you do get caught, then it's time to milk the "system" for everything it's worth - job training while in jail, free schooling on the government's dime, job placement assistance, the works.

Sitting around playing Monopoly is the last thing these folks need to be doing - they need to out there making life difficult for everyone else, at the very least. That's what I'd be doing if I was in that situation...LOL.
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Re: Economic casualties pile into tent cities

Unread postby jdmartin » Wed 06 May 2009, 14:48:34

Actually I'm surprised that some enterprising homeless/poor haven't put together roving bands of shoplifters. Take ten people into a store, everyone grabs something and makes a mad dash for the door, surely lots of items are going to make it out. Or two people stage a fistfight/screaming fight diversion while others grab goods and head for the exits. No good way to police everything...
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Re: Economic casualties pile into tent cities

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Wed 06 May 2009, 14:52:17

Over 2900 comments so far. 8O
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Re: Economic casualties pile into tent cities

Unread postby Byron100 » Wed 06 May 2009, 15:14:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', 'A')ctually I'm surprised that some enterprising homeless/poor haven't put together roving bands of shoplifters. Take ten people into a store, everyone grabs something and makes a mad dash for the door, surely lots of items are going to make it out. Or two people stage a fistfight/screaming fight diversion while others grab goods and head for the exits. No good way to police everything...


That reminds me of a dream I had once, when I was watching a news clip (sometime in the future) of a massive looting riot in which something like a thousand people flooded into a big-box store and cleaned it out, the sheer numbers of people totally overwhelming the store personnel.

Now, that'd be something to see in real life, huh? :shock:
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Re: Economic casualties pile into tent cities

Unread postby Fishman » Wed 06 May 2009, 15:48:41

"they need to out there making life difficult for everyone else, at the very least." Now would this be considered early zombie training?
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Re: Economic casualties pile into tent cities

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 06 May 2009, 16:09:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', '&')quot;they need to out there making life difficult for everyone else, at the very least." Now would this be considered early zombie training?


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Suburbanties unite against tent cities

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 08 May 2009, 00:12:02

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Diocese of St. Petersburg is proposing a homeless tent city (250 tents and sheds/shacks) at 6410 E Hillsborough Ave, Tampa, FL 33610.

It is interesting to note that their analysis of the surrounding area fails to mention all of the neighborhoods, retail, and schools in our community. What about the fact that the Hard Rock Casino, an international tourist attraction, is less than half a mile away!?! Apparently we have become expendable. Let’s show them that we matter and that we will fight their efforts to destroy the quality of life in our community!


That last argument there is pretty rich.. they're worried that the tent city will sully the luster of the "international tourist attraction" that is the Seminole Indian Hard Rock Casino and Cheap Tax-Free Cigarette Emporium.

Now, I'll be the first to admit that no, I wouldn't want to live next to Tent City either. But at some point.. don't our communities have to stop to face the music? To help pick up the fallen amongst us?

How is it that a neighborhood that has room for a prison and a casino can't also house the homeless?

Whether folks like it or not, if they don't want a freakin tent city in their town, they may just have to cough up some cash to do something about this new problem of "economic homelessness."

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Re: Suburbanties unite against tent cities

Unread postby Prince » Fri 08 May 2009, 00:34:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'N')ow, I'll be the first to admit that no, I wouldn't want to live next to Tent City either. But at some point.. don't our communities have to stop to face the music? To help pick up the fallen amongst us?

How is it that a neighborhood that has room for a prison and a casino can't also house the homeless?

Whether folks like it or not, if they don't want a freakin tent city in their town, they may just have to cough up some cash to do something about this new problem of "economic homelessness."


On one hand I do understand what you are saying. This is a growing problem with no (cheap) viable solution. However, to play the heartless devil's advocate, you mention picking up the fallen amongst us. How much more can we give as a society? Many of us who have jobs are worried about losing them. We are being taxed and nickeled and dimed to oblivion. My wife and I personally have about half of our income go to taxes, where roughly half of that goes to fund this socialist agenda. I understand people are facing tough times, but there should be alternatives for them. I've been on the ground before during the last recession and I survived through the help of friends and family and a lot of cheap living. For those of us who are working and are stretched thin, when is enough, enough?

Moving to your next point, it is unreasonable to compare a private casino to a homeless shelter. One is funded by private investment or loans, the other strictly by the taxpayer. If I choose not to support the casino, I won't go. It's not so easy when your wages are garnished to fund a group of homeless halfwits. The prison, you may argue, is funded by the public, but people gladly want more prisons under the false illusion of safety. They care more about their safety (even if it's bullshit safety), than they do for some homeless. This is reasonable and understandable, for it follows human nature in general.

Luckily, we live in a mobile society and we can often do something about community deterioration--we can move. My wife and I rent a place and we recently found out a "tent city" will be coming here in the summer for 3 months, about 4 blocks from our house. We live in a relatively bad neighborhood anyway, so we've decided not to renew our lease when it is up in June.

In this liberal-fest that we live in now, this tent city mentality and the expectation that we should accept such drivel is becoming more mainstream. Until I'm in that (highly unlikely) circumstance, I really don't want that human garbage around me.
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Re: Economic casualties pile into tent cities

Unread postby strider3700 » Fri 08 May 2009, 00:55:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', '
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That reminds me of a dream I had once, when I was watching a news clip (sometime in the future) of a massive looting riot in which something like a thousand people flooded into a big-box store and cleaned it out, the sheer numbers of people totally overwhelming the store personnel.

Now, that'd be something to see in real life, huh? :shock:


Remember the walmart in New Orleans after Katrina? May not have been 1000 people but it didn't really matter in the end.
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Re: Suburbanties unite against tent cities

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Fri 08 May 2009, 01:02:52

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Re: Suburbanties unite against tent cities

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 08 May 2009, 01:21:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n one hand I do understand what you are saying. This is a growing problem with no (cheap) viable solution. However, to play the heartless devil's advocate, you mention picking up the fallen amongst us. How much more can we give as a society? Many of us who have jobs are worried about losing them.


Well, that's just it. Taxpayers don't want to spend a nickel on this stuff, which is why you have church groups setting up tent cities. But you can't really have it both ways, on the one hand telling your government to do nothing and then complain when a charity group steps in to do what they can.

These residents up in arms over the tent city seem to think homelessness is some other person's problem, as if the issues of city life shouldn't apply to them. When you live in a city, it just doesn't work that way. You either get used to seeing people sleep under bridges and on your sidewalk, or you fund public housing.

As for the taxation issue, I agree the middle class is already strapped. But if you're in the upper brackets, I humbly submit that you could afford to pay more. And really, it's money well spent.. even if you're rich, wouldn't you like to enjoy your downtown without seeing the poor languishing all over the place?

So to clarify, my position is for fully funded, decent public housing -- not tent cities per se.
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Re: Economic casualties pile into tent cities

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 08 May 2009, 01:37:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')oving to your next point, it is unreasonable to compare a private casino to a homeless shelter. One is funded by private investment or loans, the other strictly by the taxpayer. If I choose not to support the casino, I won't go. It's not so easy when your wages are garnished to fund a group of homeless halfwits.


I missed this part in my response.

Ok.. I was just joking about the casino, because I've been to it and to hear the neighborhood group calling it some kind of "international tourist destination" is just a real laugh.

And statistics show, by the way, it's the working poor who spend the most at these Indian casinos. Precisely the kind of people who may end up "economically homeless" one day.

As for the supporting things, I think we just have a different view. Services for the homeless is a city issue, it's like trash collection, environmental protection, that sort of thing. If you want enjoyable (and safe) public spaces in your city, you simply must have homeless services so that they're not all laying about on benches and in the parks.

So from my perspective, decent services for the homeless are both the right thing to do and the wise thing to do from a selfish standpoint.
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Re: Suburbanties unite against tent cities

Unread postby Prince » Fri 08 May 2009, 01:43:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'A')s for the taxation issue, I agree the middle class is already strapped. But if you're in the upper brackets, I humbly submit that you could afford to pay more. And really, it's money well spent.. even if you're rich, wouldn't you like to enjoy your downtown without seeing the poor languishing all over the place?


As someone who is one of those evil "rich" people that you hate, I again ask when is enough, enough? Also, what constitutes "rich"? My wife and I have a very steady income, but we aren't "rich". We are in a rather expensive city where taxes and socialistic, blame-the-rich attitudes are very commonplace. You realize that the top 10% of wage earners foot nearly 75% of the bill, whereas the bottom 50% pay a mere 3%, and yet we need to pay more, right?

"Could afford to pay more". We do pay more. We pay more in taxes. We get less tax breaks (i.e., we can't deduct wife's school loans because we make too much money. We don't qualify for first time homebuyer--make too much. We don't have children, so no breaks there. We'll see hefty increases from the Feds next year and likely soon from our state. Our state sales tax--which obviously affects everyone, rich or poor--is through the nose). We are being squeezed to death from all ends, and I'll reiterate that we are not all that well off. Most of our large amount of disposable income comes from the fact that we are very smart with our money and don't have children, not because we are "rich".

One more factoid for you. You say tax the rich more. Did you know that if the rich were taxed at 85% AND the middle class were taxed at 65% that there still wouldn't be enough revenue to fund this newfound communism? So one more time... when is enough, enough?

As for enjoying downtown, it's very simple. Once our city turns into a shithole (and it will happen sooner than later), we'll move. Probably in less than 5 years. If my parents didn't live near here I would have never moved back to this human cesspool, but family is very important to me.
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Re: Suburbanties unite against tent cities

Unread postby Grautr » Fri 08 May 2009, 06:19:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', '
')On one hand I do understand what you are saying. This is a growing problem with no (cheap) viable solution. However, to play the heartless devil's advocate, you mention picking up the fallen amongst us. How much more can we give as a society? Many of us who have jobs are worried about losing them. We are being taxed and nickeled and dimed to oblivion. My wife and I personally have about half of our income go to taxes, where roughly half of that goes to fund this socialist agenda. I understand people are facing tough times, but there should be alternatives for them. I've been on the ground before during the last recession and I survived through the help of friends and family and a lot of cheap living. For those of us who are working and are stretched thin, when is enough, enough?



One of the things that keeps cropping up when they interview these people living in tents is that they dont have family to help out. I dont think we need to refer to these people as garbage just because they lucked out on a job or house and dont have the safety net of family to fall back on.
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Re: Suburbanties unite against tent cities

Unread postby ForlornHope » Fri 08 May 2009, 07:16:08

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Yep TylerJC, this looks like a repeat of the dirty thirties. Too bad 'modern' Americans have so much less compassion for those who have fallen through the cracks...I've been there. I guess today's prevalent attitude that these people are 'filth' or 'dirty garbage' is just a reflection of those who have so much material wealth, and these same people are so fearfull of loosing what they deem SO important. Heavan forbid that their property values drop if a tent city pops up nearby. 8O
Third world nations have endemic homeless/dispossed/beggers/fill in the blank. Yet many of these nations and their citizens freely give of their meagre funds and rarely worry about their property values declining because of homeless people. :cry:
For those who complain about these diminished souls, develop some compassion and stop complaining. You complain with full bellies, a warm home, car, ipods, every distraction you could want...
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Re: Economic casualties pile into tent cities

Unread postby oldchuck » Fri 08 May 2009, 08:59:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', 'I')f these people were smart, they'd band together and squat in some of the 1000's of vacant, foreclosed homes that have spread throughout Florida. Sure, they may be kicked out of these homes from time to time, but it'd not be hard to find others to move into...LOL.


Actually that is happening. There is a group, in Miami I think, that "faciitates" connecting homeless people with foreclosed, empty houses. Seems like a great idea. Sometimes the bank will even allow it because it makes sense to them. Other times they don't notice and people get utilities hooked up. Often the neighbors like it because the houses are kept up, lawn mowed and so forth. Vandalism is reduced because the houses actually have caretakers.

To the frightened person who thinks homeless people are garbage: I read an article yesterday in a Canadian newspaper about a homeless guy who saved a kids life. The dumb kid, a teenager, was horsing around on a bridge over a raging, very cold river and fell in. The homeless guy jumped in, swam upstream a good distance, and pulled him out. A person commenting on the article said that people should have more respect for the homeless as they are mostly decent people.
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Re: Suburbanties unite against tent cities

Unread postby oldchuck » Fri 08 May 2009, 09:09:37

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As someone who is one of those evil "rich" people that you hate, I again ask when is enough, enough? Also, what constitutes "rich"? My wife and I have a very steady income, but we aren't "rich". We are in a rather expensive city where taxes and socialistic, blame-the-rich attitudes are very commonplace. You realize that the top 10% of wage earners foot nearly 75% of the bill, whereas the bottom 50% pay a mere 3%, and yet we need to pay more, right?


Oh, by the way, I am one of those rich people, several liquid million, only lost a couple hundred thousand in the crash. HIGH INCOME PEOPLE SHOULD PAY MORE. WE CAN AFFORD IT. I would guess I pay a considerably lower tax rate than you do because it's all capital gains (or sometimes loses).
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