$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('C8', 'O')ne of the major problems with the US or Europe going green is that the same people who want to go green also want to open the nation's doors wide to immigrants- thus raising the overall population and total national energy use. As people move from low to high energy per-capita nations they will more than erase any efficiency gains made by those nations.
Some math everyone needs to memorize:
For every 1 American there are 25 people in the world, and about 20 of them live in very low energy use nations
If just 1 of those 20 people come to the US, the # of Americans doubles! (with similar results to US energy consumption)
The world's population will grow as much in the next 5 years as there are people in the US
When you look at the realities of world population growth and the dominance of the green movement by the woke "open borders" crowd, you realize that western energy consumption is only going to go up, up, up.
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Re: The Green New Deal and the Growth of Renewables
by JuanP » Wed 29 Apr 2020, 21:46:10
Yes. I oppose immigration on similar grounds, and a few others.
As soon as I say I’m against immigration I’m labeled a Trump loving Nazi. The knee jerk reaction is instantaneous.
I am an immigrant in the USA, but I agree that it is not in the best interest of humanity, in general, and Americans, in particular, to let any more people immigrate to the USA. I have been accused of being a hypocrite for having this opinion because I am an immigrant, but the fact that I am an immigrant doesn't change the facts. I have been told many times "So, now that you are already here, you don't want others to come", but that is not the point. I don't mind, though, because I don't give a fuck what others think about me. The same thing applies to most countries receiving immigrants. I think the Japanese are leading the way in this matter.
The global population is growing by more than 80 million a year (81 to 85 depending on your source), so it takes 4 years, not 5, for the world to add the equivalent of the US population, which is currently around 332 million. I think the USA should have drastically reduced both immigration and population growth decades ago, but better late than never.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-pop ... growthrate
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/us.html
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Re: The Green New Deal and the Growth of Renewables
by MonteQuest » Thu 30 Apr 2020, 18:45:59
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', ' ')The current situation (USA) is both a growing economy and a growing population. The population is growing artificially in order to prop up the economic growth. This indicates our first priority is economic growth.
There is nothing artificial about population growth and there is no outside pressure on it. What is propping up economic growth is debt. $250 trillion of it. A debt-based monetary system requires growth to exist. That's why it is a priority. Our retirement and tax base also requires population growth. That's why some ten-odd countries are now paying their women to have children. With economic degrowth, the per capita share of the pie gets increasingly smaller as the population grows. And just how might we turn our attention to population growth? Birth control? I think I covered this at length years ago. ZPG (two children per couple) would take 50 to 75 years to see a net decline. One child, 30 years. We are headed for 11 billion even with a declining fertility rate (that won't continue to decline via Demographic Transition). Food and energy demand are forecast to double by 2050. We face a bottleneck.
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Re: The Green New Deal and the Growth of Renewables
by MonteQuest » Thu 30 Apr 2020, 19:00:09
The other day I wrote, “Most people cannot live closer to their jobs. There is no place to move to.”
Someone opined I must be clueless about telecommuting. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only 29 percent of Americans can work from home. Factory, retail sales, healthcare, and service workers, etc, cannot. According to the 2017 census, 5 million workers (3.6% of the U.S. workforce) currently work-at-home half-time or more, so obviously there is room for a big improvement. Some estimates cite 5.2% or 8 million in 2020. Working remotely is not the same as moving closer to work, which was what I was addressing. But “most” Americans cannot do either.
Someone opined I must be clueless about telecommuting. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only 29 percent of Americans can work from home. Factory, retail sales, healthcare, and service workers, etc, cannot. According to the 2017 census, 5 million workers (3.6% of the U.S. workforce) currently work-at-home half-time or more, so obviously there is room for a big improvement. Some estimates cite 5.2% or 8 million in 2020. Working remotely is not the same as moving closer to work, which was what I was addressing. But “most” Americans cannot do either.
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Re: The Green New Deal and the Growth of Renewables
by MonteQuest » Thu 30 Apr 2020, 19:07:23
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JuanP', 'I') think the USA should have drastically reduced both immigration and population growth decades ago, but better late than never.
US population birth rate is below replacement now at 1.7 and has been for the last 5 years. The Catch-22 is that we need more births or more immigration to fuel GDP growth. GDP = # of workers plus their productivity. Our workforce is shrinking as the boomers retire. Such is our dilemma.
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