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Re: long emergency, free

Unread postby cynthia » Sat 11 Oct 2008, 22:24:53

Free? At least support someone who has the tenacity to publish regardless of content.
Send the viewers to the library where the copy is free and was paid for.
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Free solar power - too good to be true?

Unread postby Graeme » Mon 19 Jul 2010, 19:32:38

Free solar power - too good to be true?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')OU know the old adage – if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. So when Consumerwatch heard that solar panels were being fitted for free, we immediately asked: "What is the catch?"

For those who simply want to realise a dream by becoming more self-sufficient in terms of energy, then there is no catch.

You get to help the planet by harnessing sunlight that in turn cuts your bills – an average three or four bedroom house would save £150 on electricity, according to the Energy Saving Trust.

The company benefits as it gets to cash in on any extra electricity that you generate and fail to use by selling it back to the national grid.


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Re: Free solar power - too good to be true?

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 19 Jul 2010, 19:58:11

Free solar was out there for awhile already, billions of years actually.

But seriously--
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou get to help the planet by harnessing sunlight that in turn cuts your bills – an average three or four bedroom house would save £150 on electricity,


what are you going to do with 150 pounds saved on electricity? Send it to the International Rhino Foundation? Something tells me you'll decide that 4 or 5 Northern White rhinos that are left alive will manage it somehow, and you'll proceed with raping the planet as usual. With extra 150 quids a month in hand! Thats sounds like fun. There is no such thing as helping the planet while saving yourself some dough-- no sir!
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Re: Free solar power - too good to be true?

Unread postby Graeme » Mon 19 Jul 2010, 23:34:34

In that case, I'm sure you will be happy to pay for rising electricity costs. Or do without altogether. Which would you prefer?
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Re: Free solar power - too good to be true?

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 19 Jul 2010, 23:57:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', 'I')n that case, I'm sure you will be happy to pay for rising electricity costs. Or do without altogether. Which would you prefer?


I'll be fine with either, really. As for my personal preference, I guess ideally I would pay more so others will be forced to use less or non altogether. Anyways as long as 1 lamp is on during daytime outthere somwhere, electricity is too cheap.
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Re: Free solar power - too good to be true?

Unread postby Graeme » Tue 20 Jul 2010, 00:36:47

Worldwide Solar PV Capacity to Witness Huge Increase This Year

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')MS Research has indicated that a total solar PV capacity in the order of 14.6 GW might be added in 2010, marking an increase of 95% from the 2009 figure. Over half of these solar installations might spring up in the Czech Republic, Italy and Germany. Nevertheless, a shift in the growth from the European markets to North American and Asian markets can be expected.

India has introduced the National Solar Mission targeted at installing 20,000 MW capacity of solar energy production by the year 2022. A major portion of this would come in the form of photovoltaics. Moreover, the Indian government has announced numerous incentives for the solar power industry.

The government of China has also launched steps to promote the solar PV industry. Recently, a law was introduced that necessitates all the energy produced from renewable energy resources to be purchased by the industry. Recently, Suntech of China has established an agreement with the China Development Bank valued at $7.33 billion.


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Re: Free solar power - too good to be true?

Unread postby americandream » Tue 20 Jul 2010, 02:58:06

There are no free rides in life. Rising global energy demand on the back of increasing capitalist inspired consumerism in such things as the latest household gadgets and toys we consider essential will overwhelm these idiotic gestures.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '[')b]Free solar power - too good to be true?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')OU know the old adage – if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. So when Consumerwatch heard that solar panels were being fitted for free, we immediately asked: "What is the catch?"

For those who simply want to realise a dream by becoming more self-sufficient in terms of energy, then there is no catch.

You get to help the planet by harnessing sunlight that in turn cuts your bills – an average three or four bedroom house would save £150 on electricity, according to the Energy Saving Trust.

The company benefits as it gets to cash in on any extra electricity that you generate and fail to use by selling it back to the national grid.


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Re: Free solar power - too good to be true?

Unread postby Graeme » Thu 05 Aug 2010, 18:17:30

Energy Firm's £1bn Solar Power Giveaway

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') new energy firm is vowing to install £1bn worth of solar kits for free.

HomeSun wants to enable people to produce their own power by offering their system in return for a share of the savings they make on their electricity bills.

The firm can do it because the previous Government introduced "feed-in tariffs" on April 1. They act as a financial incentive for those who create their own electricity.

One of the first consumers to benefit is John Arnold who now has a series of panels fitted to his roof in a quiet cul-de-sac in Petersfield, Hampshire.


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Re: Free solar power - too good to be true?

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Thu 05 Aug 2010, 20:41:11

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')The firm can do it because the previous Government introduced "feed-in tariffs" on April 1. They act as a financial incentive for those who create their own electricity.



I don't see what all the negativity is about. This sounds great, in theory for the user, and how can it hurt the earth?

The concern, IMO, as a libertarian, is that the incentive is based on a government program, thus the company who is planning on making these profits may well get TOTALLY SCREWED.

Kind of how people who buy a hybrid better read the fine print / consult their tax person, if their incentive is the U.S. tax credit. Kind of how some of these "green" futures (i.e. tradable carbon credits) get totally screwed over when the government changes the rules. I was reading about one a while back in the WSJ which had hit about $1600 a unit a few years ago, and had recently plummented to 3 bucks and was expected to go to zero on a rule change. (These weren't carbon credits, but something of that ilk).

Counting on government regulation for profits -- you better be confident your buddy in power will take care of you. Ayn Rand wrote very convincingly about this in "Atlas Shrugged" back in 1957.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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