[yesplease]

Still having trouble w/ the difference between a statement that's correct and one that's "good" RE?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'H')appenned in the Great Depression, why would it not be happening now? You honestly think as fewer people on earth can afford food that MORE people are born than die? That is ridiculous.

[Revi]

This time it's going to shrink. I was thinking about it and it will happen pretty quickly now. What are we going to do with all these people without a livelihood? I just heard a story on NPR about soup kitchens running out of funding.

Look around you. I don't know about the area you live in, but here in rural Maine the population is shrinking. Maybe it's just here.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'T')his time it's going to shrink.

[Revi]

Some of the people in your area came from my state, Ludi. That and the fact that you are in an area that has resources means that the population is still growing in those places where the oil is flowing. I think it will shrink in those places that have less energy now. They won't be throwing off jobs and livelihoods like they were. People are mobile. They move to where they will be able to make a life.

A friend noticed that all the houses beyond the end of the cable television were abandoned on his road now.

[Ludi]

Yes, but a population moving from one area to another is not a "Die-Off."

[Revi]

No, you are right. It's not a die off yet. I think you'll find a few places where the population is actually dying off in the world, but they are really messed up like Zimbabwe. Other places are gaining a lot, so I would say that the worldwide die-off has not yet begun.

People are beginning to migrate towards those place where the food is still being handed out however.

We may be close to a die off, but we're not there yet.

[Ludi]

Barring a pandemic, I would expect it to be several years, perhaps even decades, before we see a worldwide Die-Off.

That's my Bold Prediction of the day.

[Revi]

I think 5 years is a good guess. I hope we make it a little longer, but around 5 years from now things will be getting pretty dicey.

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'B')arring a pandemic, I would expect it to be several years, perhaps even decades, before we see a worldwide Die-Off.

That's my Bold Prediction of the day.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
')Nope. It started already. The snowball of death is now rolling.

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('centralstump', 'I') submit that the peak and subsequent decline in American oil output had everything to do with it.
Up until the eighties, we could make money "the old fashioned way." We could build things, sell things, and grow things. Peak American oil (among other important resources) meant we could now only borrow things. (and the rest of the world could lend us things)

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('keehah', 'P')erhaps dave67 and mos6507 you could actually offer your non-peak oil root cause reason(s) for the 'credit crisis.' This lets us each decide if it is better theory or not.

Neither of you has offered a reason in this thread.
So if not rooted in peak oil plateau effects what caused it?

Personally I say fiat money and Wall Street corruption (Pyramid scheme overreach) caused it. Arrival and larger awareness of oil production plateau (and other resource constraints) means the economy will not cycle back to new heights.

Peak Oil could still be the root cause as one could make the case arrival and/or awareness of peak or plateau prevented some new bubble being formed to replace real-estate and continue Wall Street's games.

[Armageddon]

After pondering over this debate for a few days, I have come to the conclusion that PO most definitely is the culprit for the economy collapsing. When the US was dominating the world in manufacturing and all phases , they were the world's leading oil exporter. This is a fact. The US was a creditor nation and a net oil exporter. Now, after the oil has peaked in the US, look how things have changed. The US is now the most indebted nation in the world. It also imports the most oil in the world. A nation that no longer manufactures things, the US can't rely on borrowing any longer. It is a failed model and we can look back and see this all changed when the US became an oil importing nation. This is not a coincidence.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', ' ') You honestly think as fewer people on earth can afford food that MORE people are born than die? That is ridiculous.

[eastbay]

Hi Ludi. Good morning!


See Monte's posting above. It expresses my sentiments exactly on the topic.

[yesplease]

In the face of declining food and resources a population will only face die off if they do not suitably change their behavior in time. The amount of time is proportional to the amount of superfluous (wasteful) use both in terms of necessary food and resources as well as the decline rate of those food/resources.

[yeahbut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'H')i Ludi. Good morning!


See Monte's posting above. It expresses my sentiments exactly on the topic.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', '
')Well that's good, because Monte confirms what Ludi said. She called bs on RE's claim that
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Die Off has begun

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'A')fter pondering over this debate for a few days, I have come to the conclusion that PO most definitely is the culprit for the economy collapsing. When the US was dominating the world in manufacturing and all phases , they were the world's leading oil exporter. This is a fact. The US was a creditor nation and a net oil exporter. Now, after the oil has peaked in the US, look how things have changed. The US is now the most indebted nation in the world. It also imports the most oil in the world. A nation that no longer manufactures things, the US can't rely on borrowing any longer. It is a failed model and we can look back and see this all changed when the US became an oil importing nation. This is not a coincidence.