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THE Dow Jones Industrials (DJI) Thread (merged)

Discussions about the economic and financial ramifications of PEAK OIL

The Dow Jones will be..

Poll ended at Wed 15 Jun 2005, 20:53:42

Be the same.
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Total votes : 64

Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby UncoveringTruths » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 15:08:39

Hope they find something to cheer up about before tommorow.
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby Cynus » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 15:10:42

What are you talking about? SRS is up 6.51% :)
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby Twilight » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 15:12:35

I mentioned it here.

It's the credit market thing again. It's not going anywhere. People might find some reasons for temporary cheer, but the fundamentals (everyone is screwed) are not going away this year or the next.
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 15:15:08

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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby Eli » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 15:21:47

SHTF

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '`')`You have a stampede of the animals away from the watering hole,'' said Scott MacDonald, director of research at Aladdin Capital Management in Stamford, Connecticut, which manages about $20 billion in assets. ``Right now, everything that smacks of financial risk is backing out through the door.''


Man it has been one hell of party and this hang over is going to be hell.

Seems like that smart ass comment about heading for the hills has worked its way up the food chain.

it is really starting to look like the end of the party.

The consumer is giving out

Durable goods are dropping, factory orders are declining unexpectedly. The next thing to come is people are going to be laid off and let go. Then that is when the housing market will really tank. Unemployment rising is going to be the last thing we are going to see as the music stops.

Twilight is right the credit party is coming to an end and the consumer is starting to give up the ghost.

This may be the beginning of the bad times.

Oh and do not forget the Yen carry trade is coming apart

Yen carry unwinding

The trillions that were bought in Yen are going to have to be repaid.
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby Roccland » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 15:23:26

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')humping Thursday AM!

Rumors are that we have a money-center bank in trouble with over 90 BILLION in bridge loans stuck on its balance sheet.

This, along with similar rumors of potential bankruptcies in Europe due to the credit crunch, are what is hitting the futures this morning.

There's no good way to spin this one guys.

It is very likely that once the market opens you will see the Gates of Hell yawn wide, especially if we get any more color on that rumor - like a name.

Be careful today. Rumor-driven major events like this look like juicy opportunities on the short side, but in the past have proven to be huge yawning traps on both ends!

Remember guys and gals - don't be a pig!


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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby eastbay » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 15:42:51

A 2.5% correction in one day is nothing to get all excited about. Tomorrow we shall all enjoy a nice bounce in the markets. :)

Tales of economic doom in the markets are premature. Don't expect things to get really nasty until after September at least.
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby strider3700 » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 16:04:15

what makes after september so special?
shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby Cobra_Strike » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 16:05:13

A nice low GDP reading tomorrow could set up a nice Black Friday moment.
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby PeakingAroundtheCorner » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 16:08:54

I live in Texas, for those of you outside my timezone. Anyways, this morning around 11am Central the three oil benchmarks here were each up over a dollar.

Now, as of 2pm, they are all back down. What's up with that?
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby firestarter » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 16:11:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'A') 2.5% correction in one day is nothing to get all excited about. Tomorrow we shall all enjoy a nice bounce in the markets. :)

Tales of economic doom in the markets are premature. Don't expect things to get really nasty until after September at least.




If it was not for the trading curbs that were instituted earlier in the am the markets would be in the 10% correction mode. They only let you buy like a drunken sailor, not sell.
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby Lore » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 16:14:14

eastbay Is right, the market has been long overdue for a correction based on the current fundamentals. The same thing happened in Feb and it bounced back to new highs.

Come September when OPEC has it's meeting and decides not to increase production, then you will see the catylist for a market free fall.
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby eastbay » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 16:27:45

I'm not too sure how far it would have dropped w/out the curbs, but 10% seems 'quite deep'.

There's nothing special about September other than the planned OPEC meeting, but October (after September) is when 3Q reporting happens and that's when 'quite deep' will likely occur. That's just my opinion.
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby firestarter » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 16:41:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I')'m not too sure how far it would have dropped w/out the curbs, but 10% seems 'quite deep'.

There's nothing special about September other than the planned OPEC meeting, but October (after September) is when 3Q reporting happens and that's when 'quite deep' will likely occur. That's just my opinion.




Volume on the NYSE was a paltry 600 million subsequent to curbs today. This allows for the Working Group's interventions which betrays a nominally free market. Curbs at -200 is BS writ large (at 800-1000, maybe I'd capitulate)
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby PeakingAroundtheCorner » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 16:43:19

I live in Texas, for those of you outside my timezone. Anyways, this morning around 11am Central the three oil benchmarks here

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/commod ... rices.html

Now, as of 2pm, they are all back down. What's up with that?
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby Lore » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 16:47:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I')'m not too sure how far it would have dropped w/out the curbs, but 10% seems 'quite deep'.

There's nothing special about September other than the planned OPEC meeting, but October (after September) is when 3Q reporting happens and that's when 'quite deep' will likely occur. That's just my opinion.


There is no reason for GDP not to be up 3Q, although it will disappoint compared to the first part of the year.

Again, while household income remains good, inflation stays in check, and unemployment rate remains low, people will still be supporting the economy.

The changes, in my estimation, at least from a market persepctive will have to come from a major event. Most likely that will be in the form of a commodity supply restraint. Of course military, political, and weather related events could also play a key role.
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby Twilight » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 17:09:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CNN', 'O')il jumped briefly above $77 a barrel but then turned lower along with stocks as traders worried that slower economic growth would dent demand for oil.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CNN', 'T')rading curbs, used to slow down the market in the event of a big move, were imposed by the New York Stock Exchange late this morning. oil turned lower and gold slid.

That inspires confidence.
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 17:18:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'A')gain, while household income remains good, inflation stays in check, and unemployment rate remains low...


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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby firestarter » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 17:20:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'A')gain, while household income remains good, inflation stays in check, and unemployment rate remains low...


Lore, what color is the sky in your world?



Probably gets his economic info from CNBC.
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Re: Dow down 600 pints this week 400 points today

Unread postby Starvid » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 17:21:19

Bought Chevron. It did continue down a percent or so after my buy, but hey, you can't get everything.

Anyway, peak oil is bigger than some pansy credit crisis.
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