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Re: Man & Dinosaur Lived Together !!

Unread postby Lokutus » Tue 16 Jan 2007, 13:00:13

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Re: Man & Dinosaur Lived Together !!

Unread postby Chuckmak » Tue 16 Jan 2007, 13:07:04

I REALLY have to see this for myself. *smh*
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Re: Man & Dinosaur Lived Together !!

Unread postby gampy » Tue 16 Jan 2007, 14:52:00

Strange, but Mr. Ham (the proprietor of this "museum") is actually Australian, and emigrated to the US 20 years ago.
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Re: Man & Dinosaur Lived Together !!

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 16 Jan 2007, 15:28:33

Hey mods, you oughta merge this thread with this one: link
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Re: Man & Dinosaur Lived Together !!

Unread postby Madpaddy » Tue 16 Jan 2007, 15:30:14

Mr Ham must be this guy.... read on$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')n Australian guy decides to travel around the Greek Islands. He walks into a bar and Jill (the Australian Barmaid) takes his order, a Fosters, and notices his accent. Over the course of the night they get to know each other. At the end of Jill's shift he asks her if she wants to come back to his place and have sex with him. Although she is attracted to him she says no. He then offers to pay her $200 for sex. Jill is travelling the world and because she is short of funds she agrees.

The next night the guy turns up again, orders Fosters and after showing her plenty of attention throughout the night he asks if she will sleep with him again for $200. Jill remembers the night before and is only too happy to agree. This goes on for 5 nights. On the 6th night the guy comes in, orders Fosters and sits in the corner. Jill thinks that if she pays him more some attention then maybe she can then shake some more cash out of him again, so she goes over and sits next to him.

She asks him where he's from in Australia and he tells her: "Melbourne".
"So am I... What suburb in Melbourne?"
"Glen Iris" he replies
"That's amazing..." she says, "So am I - what Street?"
"Cameo Street" he replies
"This is unbelievable..." she says,"What number?"
He says "Number 20" and she is totally astonished.
"You are not going to believe this but I'm from Number 22! My parents still live there!"
"I know..." he says, "Your Father gave me $1,000 to give to you
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Re: Man & Dinosaur Lived Together !!

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 16 Jan 2007, 16:39:55

I knew this was the Creation Museum even before I clicked the link.
Wonderful job, folks. :-D
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Re: Man & Dinosaur Lived Together !!

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 16 Jan 2007, 16:47:07

it's unfortunate that so many Americans are ignorant of science and will believe such things. last night I was listening to coasttocoastam and the guest was a "dowser" who could quantify exactly how much "energy" he had put into everyone's glass of water in the listening audience. He sent some sort of vibes out into the radio waves to put the "spirit of water" into the audiences glasses of oridnary water. I was thinking, OK, when are we going to hear about how you have to have the "right attitude" for it to work and sure enough this quack went into a spiel about how important it was to not have "negative attitudes". There are millions of people who listen to this kind of thing with complete credulity. they've also had on guests who claim that Peruvian artifacts show Andean Amerindians lived with dinosaurs.
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Re: Man & Dinosaur Lived Together !!

Unread postby DesertBear2 » Tue 16 Jan 2007, 17:24:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')here are millions of people who listen to this kind of thing with complete credulity.

Another good reason to abandon the American public school system. This system was designed to produce acculturated factory workers who would show up at 8:00AM and work diligently without asking any questions. And the public teacher's unions fight to the last breath preserve that system- they cannot envision anything better. But anybody who goes through 12 years of full-time education and still cannot think their way out of fundamentalist religious smegma has not been properly educated.
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Re: Man & Dinosaur Lived Together !!

Unread postby katkinkate » Wed 17 Jan 2007, 06:14:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gampy', 'O')nly in America... And you people put a man on the moon....
It's no wonder some people doubt that.
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Chicxulub impact did not cause dinosaur extinction

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Fri 29 May 2009, 14:16:22

The newest research, led by Gerta Keller of Princeton University in New Jersey, and Thierry Adatte of the University of Lausanne, Switzerland, uses evidence from Mexico to suggest that the Chicxulub impact predates the K-T boundary by as much as 300,000 years.

"Keller and colleagues continue to amass detailed stratigraphic information supporting new thinking about the Chicxulub impact, and the mass extinction at the end of the Cretaceous," says H. Richard Lane, program director in the National Science Foundation (NSF)'s Division of Earth Sciences, which funded the research. "The two may not be linked after all."

From El Penon and other localities in Mexico, says Keller, "we know that between four and nine meters of sediments were deposited at about two to three centimeters per thousand years after the impact. The mass extinction level can be seen in the sediments above this interval."

The study found that the sediments separating the two events were characteristic of normal sedimentation, with burrows formed by creatures colonizing the ocean floor, erosion and transportation of sediments, and no evidence of structural disturbance.

The scientists also found evidence that the Chicxulub impact didn't have the dramatic impact on species diversity that has been suggested.

At one site at El Penon, the researchers found 52 species present in sediments below the impact spherule layer, and counted all 52 still present in layers above the spherules.

"We found that not a single species went extinct as a result of the Chicxulub impact," says Keller.

Keller suggests that the massive volcanic eruptions at the Deccan Traps in India may be responsible for the extinction, releasing huge amounts of dust and gases that could have blocked out sunlight and brought about a significant greenhouse effect.
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Re: Chicxulub impact did not cause dinosaur extinction

Unread postby basil_hayden » Fri 29 May 2009, 14:58:53

No way, a natural event responsible for changes in our climate?

Preposterous.
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Re: Chicxulub impact did not cause dinosaur extinction

Unread postby Geodesic » Fri 29 May 2009, 15:12:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'N')o way, a natural event responsible for changes in our climate?

Preposterous.


More than one factor responsible for climate change?

Preposterous.

Placing our bets on the head-in-the-sand, corporate wh0re crowd being right?

Preposterous.
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Re: Chicxulub impact did not cause dinosaur extinction

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Fri 29 May 2009, 15:26:37

Actually, the Deccan Traps could have been a case of Antipodal Volcanism as a result of the Chicxulub impact.

A similar case has been proposed for the creation of the Siberian Traps initiating the Permian-Triassic extinction.

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Re: Chicxulub impact did not cause dinosaur extinction

Unread postby dissident » Fri 29 May 2009, 15:52:40

What!? CO2 from the traps had a climate impact. Can't be. Exxon and its shills tells me that CO2 has nothing to do with climate.
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Re: Chicxulub impact did not cause dinosaur extinction

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Fri 29 May 2009, 16:12:47

Man is part of nature. So our CO2 emissions are natural and good.
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Re: Chicxulub impact did not cause dinosaur extinction

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Fri 29 May 2009, 16:31:55

Was that a "God wants me to sound like an idiot" statement?
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Re: Chicxulub impact did not cause dinosaur extinction

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Re: Chicxulub impact did not cause dinosaur extinction

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 29 May 2009, 16:59:05

But really, wasn't the original theory based on dozens of observations all over the world that showed consistently a layer of iridium from the asteroid above which few of the species where evident that were common below it. How can one new study overturn all of those? It seems to me you need to at least have an account of how all those other sites ended up looking so much like there was a clear boundary at the iridium layer.
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Re: Chicxulub impact did not cause dinosaur extinction

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 29 May 2009, 17:20:08

Dr. Gerta Keller is a loon. The evidence linking the bolide impact to the extinction is overwhelming.
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Re: Chicxulub impact did not cause dinosaur extinction

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Fri 29 May 2009, 19:34:46

They are not arguing the impact didn't happen. They have found that it preceded the extinction by hundreds of thousands of years. The fact that there is an iridium layer does not dispute that. Now others will go out and do a stratigraphic analysis at other sites around the world to see if they find the same thing. That is how science works.

Actually, the evidence that there was an impact is overwhelming, the evidence linking it to the extinction, not so much.
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